1 00:00:03,169 --> 00:00:02,389 and it hits me oh my gosh this is that 2 00:00:04,249 --> 00:00:03,179 triangle 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:04,259 you know there's explanation for 4 00:00:09,140 --> 00:00:05,370 everything that occurred in the 5 00:00:12,049 --> 00:00:09,150 Rendlesham forest incident at all it was 6 00:00:16,609 --> 00:00:12,059 completely silent it comes right over 7 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:16,619 our head it's also really standing in 8 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:18,330 the clearing he turned over to my father 9 00:00:25,820 --> 00:00:19,770 and held his hand and he looked in his 10 00:00:28,429 --> 00:00:25,830 eyes and said we're not alone welcome to 11 00:00:30,830 --> 00:00:28,439 podcast UFO for our live show 12 00:00:33,020 --> 00:00:30,840 we're live every Wednesday at 8 p.m. 13 00:00:35,569 --> 00:00:33,030 Eastern Standard Time on the dark matter 14 00:00:39,260 --> 00:00:35,579 radio network please remember to visit 15 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:39,270 the website podcast UFO comm for past 16 00:00:44,420 --> 00:00:42,450 episodes blogs and forums during the 17 00:00:46,910 --> 00:00:44,430 show feel free to participate live in 18 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:46,920 our chat room and don't forget to Like 19 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:49,050 us on our very active Facebook page 20 00:00:54,260 --> 00:00:52,050 hello this is Martin Willis your host of 21 00:00:56,990 --> 00:00:54,270 podcast UFO and in just a couple of 22 00:00:59,240 --> 00:00:57,000 minutes Alejandro Rojas will be joining 23 00:01:02,720 --> 00:00:59,250 me for the news and he claims he has a 24 00:01:05,740 --> 00:01:02,730 surprise guest to join in I have no idea 25 00:01:08,690 --> 00:01:05,750 who it is it's kind of exciting actually 26 00:01:11,750 --> 00:01:08,700 our guest this evening is dr. David 27 00:01:15,620 --> 00:01:11,760 Jacobs and he'll be talking about his 28 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:15,630 new book walking among us the alien plan 29 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:18,450 to control humanity and I'm sure we're 30 00:01:23,359 --> 00:01:19,770 going to be talking about a lot of other 31 00:01:25,969 --> 00:01:23,369 things as well it's Veterans Day here in 32 00:01:27,770 --> 00:01:25,979 the US it's Veterans Day and if you are 33 00:01:29,990 --> 00:01:27,780 a veteran we want to thank you for your 34 00:01:31,910 --> 00:01:30,000 service your intentions and your 35 00:01:34,399 --> 00:01:31,920 sacrifices to keep us safe 36 00:01:37,580 --> 00:01:34,409 thanks veterans I want to once again 37 00:01:40,550 --> 00:01:37,590 thank San Boesel who's been helping us 38 00:01:43,069 --> 00:01:40,560 out with the supporter platform he's now 39 00:01:45,289 --> 00:01:43,079 done something for our chat room which 40 00:01:48,499 --> 00:01:45,299 will pop up automatically in all of 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00:02:25,340 --> 00:02:22,740 bar you will see you can get to that 56 00:02:28,130 --> 00:02:25,350 page to vote we need you to vote we have 57 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:28,140 two weeks left for anyone to cast their 58 00:02:32,540 --> 00:02:30,090 vote on what the graphic you want for a 59 00:02:34,460 --> 00:02:32,550 t-shirt so that's right on the show 60 00:02:38,540 --> 00:02:34,470 notes or right on our sidebar you can 61 00:02:39,530 --> 00:02:38,550 see how to get there and I think that's 62 00:02:41,930 --> 00:02:39,540 just about it 63 00:02:44,030 --> 00:02:41,940 so that closes by the way November 18th 64 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:44,040 and that's enough for me 65 00:02:50,780 --> 00:02:47,130 so Alejandro and your mystery guests how 66 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:50,790 are you I'm doing good how are you good 67 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:52,770 good you want to bring on the mystery 68 00:02:59,420 --> 00:02:57,210 guest now it's David Jacobs just kidding 69 00:03:02,870 --> 00:02:59,430 actually though he is speaking at the 70 00:03:04,940 --> 00:03:02,880 UFO Congress he is so you should spend a 71 00:03:07,640 --> 00:03:04,950 lot of your interview with him talking 72 00:03:09,500 --> 00:03:07,650 about the UFO Congress and how exciting 73 00:03:12,290 --> 00:03:09,510 it is that he's speaking there and stuff 74 00:03:15,590 --> 00:03:12,300 like that all right I might know 75 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:15,600 actually all right our guest introduce 76 00:03:19,970 --> 00:03:16,170 himself 77 00:03:27,710 --> 00:03:19,980 all right hello guest hello this is 78 00:03:33,830 --> 00:03:27,720 Arnold hi how are you not bad 79 00:03:36,590 --> 00:03:33,840 Arnold no actually my name is this Ruben 80 00:03:38,420 --> 00:03:36,600 Uriarte from ou Northern California how 81 00:03:40,670 --> 00:03:38,430 are you hey how you doing Ruben yes 82 00:03:43,430 --> 00:03:40,680 Reubens been on the show Alejandro oh he 83 00:03:45,710 --> 00:03:43,440 has yes yeah okay you know wow that's 84 00:03:48,140 --> 00:03:45,720 right it has yeah I think was last year 85 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:48,150 or so Ruben you joined me with your 86 00:03:53,750 --> 00:03:50,250 partner you've written some books with 87 00:03:55,730 --> 00:03:53,760 him his name is who is mister noe Torres 88 00:03:58,250 --> 00:03:55,740 that's right yes 89 00:04:00,110 --> 00:03:58,260 so noe and Ruben will be speaking at the 90 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:00,120 Travis Walton conference this weekend 91 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:02,610 and so no he came in or Ruben came in 92 00:04:07,940 --> 00:04:05,010 today no he comes in tomorrow and then 93 00:04:09,380 --> 00:04:07,950 I'll be driving them out there so that's 94 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:09,390 gonna be a lot of fun so that's why 95 00:04:12,170 --> 00:04:11,010 Rubens here and I figured since he was 96 00:04:13,850 --> 00:04:12,180 in the office and I was doing the 97 00:04:16,039 --> 00:04:13,860 interview it'd be kind of fun if he 98 00:04:18,590 --> 00:04:16,049 joined us for the news absolutely now 99 00:04:21,409 --> 00:04:18,600 that's the 40th anniversary is tomorrow 100 00:04:24,260 --> 00:04:21,419 for the Travis Walton in the fire sky 101 00:04:25,940 --> 00:04:24,270 our sky fire how did what what's the 102 00:04:29,540 --> 00:04:25,950 name the sky fires 103 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:29,550 yeah exactly and tomorrow is the 40th 104 00:04:34,910 --> 00:04:32,610 anniversary of the event and Reuben and 105 00:04:37,700 --> 00:04:34,920 I and others will be at the location 106 00:04:41,270 --> 00:04:37,710 where it happened at dusk which is when 107 00:04:46,490 --> 00:04:41,280 it happened and we possibly may get 108 00:04:49,100 --> 00:04:46,500 beamed by ship and taken away I'm gonna 109 00:04:51,650 --> 00:04:49,110 push Reuben hidden away yeah he's good 110 00:04:54,050 --> 00:04:51,660 they're all gonna believe me well a few 111 00:04:57,380 --> 00:04:54,060 weeks ago I had I had Michael Shermer on 112 00:04:59,840 --> 00:04:57,390 and he totally he just came out and said 113 00:05:02,570 --> 00:04:59,850 that Travis was lying the whole thing 114 00:05:04,610 --> 00:05:02,580 was a hoax and he had to it had to do 115 00:05:07,670 --> 00:05:04,620 with him getting a paycheck for work 116 00:05:10,370 --> 00:05:07,680 that wasn't completed particular said 117 00:05:13,490 --> 00:05:10,380 they'd make such an assumption and you 118 00:05:16,070 --> 00:05:13,500 know Travis speaks to that theory that 119 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:16,080 they had to get a paycheck and he talks 120 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:19,290 about how you know them creating this 121 00:05:25,340 --> 00:05:21,690 elaborate hoax would not get them out of 122 00:05:29,750 --> 00:05:25,350 the work that they had to do so if you 123 00:05:32,210 --> 00:05:29,760 ask Travis about it you know the theory 124 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:32,220 just doesn't make any sense yeah well I 125 00:05:38,690 --> 00:05:34,770 I didn't agree with him at all on that 126 00:05:42,290 --> 00:05:38,700 and yeah I stood up for Travis but 127 00:05:44,510 --> 00:05:42,300 because I really truly believe I believe 128 00:05:46,940 --> 00:05:44,520 that story I believe Travis you know 129 00:05:49,820 --> 00:05:46,950 he's I've talked to him I died many 130 00:05:51,170 --> 00:05:49,830 times about it and it just you know it's 131 00:05:54,620 --> 00:05:51,180 well you know with all of mine if you 132 00:05:56,270 --> 00:05:54,630 ask me really cool is that and you know 133 00:05:58,580 --> 00:05:56,280 what would be great actually you're 134 00:06:00,710 --> 00:05:58,590 gonna be talking to David Jacobs ask him 135 00:06:01,970 --> 00:06:00,720 his theory about Travis won't cause I 136 00:06:04,100 --> 00:06:01,980 don't know what it is I think it'd be 137 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:04,110 interesting to to hear what he thinks 138 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:06,930 about it especially given his 139 00:06:12,830 --> 00:06:11,130 perspective but what's really been 140 00:06:14,260 --> 00:06:12,840 fascinating with you know my girlfriends 141 00:06:16,700 --> 00:06:14,270 have been putting together this event 142 00:06:18,830 --> 00:06:16,710 and over the years I've worked with 143 00:06:20,660 --> 00:06:18,840 these witnesses and you know the witness 144 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:20,670 is kind of bicker back and forth almost 145 00:06:24,020 --> 00:06:22,050 like brothers like people have known 146 00:06:26,750 --> 00:06:24,030 each other in their entire life but they 147 00:06:29,270 --> 00:06:26,760 don't bicker about what happened or if 148 00:06:31,460 --> 00:06:29,280 anything happened and they all 149 00:06:35,030 --> 00:06:31,470 individually are dealing with what 150 00:06:39,170 --> 00:06:35,040 happened one of them is an email address 151 00:06:42,350 --> 00:06:39,180 is Ken UFO and because this event 152 00:06:43,940 --> 00:06:42,360 all of them have trans or they have 153 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:43,950 different perceptions about what 154 00:06:50,870 --> 00:06:47,850 happened to them but they don't you know 155 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:50,880 none of them deny what happened and you 156 00:06:55,730 --> 00:06:52,890 can tell it's had an effect on each of 157 00:06:58,130 --> 00:06:55,740 them differently and as much as they 158 00:07:01,100 --> 00:06:58,140 fight you know I think with as much has 159 00:07:02,750 --> 00:07:01,110 gone on through the years definitely one 160 00:07:04,970 --> 00:07:02,760 of them would have said oh he's lying 161 00:07:06,020 --> 00:07:04,980 that person is lying but that's not the 162 00:07:08,780 --> 00:07:06,030 case 163 00:07:11,620 --> 00:07:08,790 you know it's it even when they have 164 00:07:13,850 --> 00:07:11,630 disagreement you and these are not like 165 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:13,860 sophisticated people I would say these 166 00:07:18,170 --> 00:07:15,690 aren't you know people who are out there 167 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:18,180 promoting themselves like some of the 168 00:07:22,790 --> 00:07:21,210 other people in this field who you know 169 00:07:26,570 --> 00:07:22,800 you question their motives these are 170 00:07:30,620 --> 00:07:26,580 just regular guys you know living their 171 00:07:35,260 --> 00:07:30,630 lives and I have not seen any indication 172 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:35,270 working with any of these guys big day 173 00:07:39,530 --> 00:07:38,010 has given me any doubt and that's what's 174 00:07:41,450 --> 00:07:39,540 kind of fun too is that we're gonna have 175 00:07:43,790 --> 00:07:41,460 more of the witnesses that have done 176 00:07:46,460 --> 00:07:43,800 have ever been together this weekend and 177 00:07:49,370 --> 00:07:46,470 the police officer who was the first on 178 00:07:50,810 --> 00:07:49,380 the scene and you know what Karen you 179 00:07:54,410 --> 00:07:50,820 know my girlfriend is the one who got a 180 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:54,420 hold of him and got him there Travis and 181 00:07:58,220 --> 00:07:56,370 none of the guys know what he's even 182 00:07:59,420 --> 00:07:58,230 going to say and they're not against him 183 00:08:01,130 --> 00:07:59,430 coming they're like great you know 184 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:01,140 that'll be great to hear what he has to 185 00:08:05,690 --> 00:08:03,570 say so they don't even know he could 186 00:08:07,430 --> 00:08:05,700 just say oh this was a hoax and and 187 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:07,440 these guys were full of it 188 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:08,970 they don't even know and I think that 189 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:12,450 speaks to how that they're not afraid of 190 00:08:15,170 --> 00:08:13,530 anybody 191 00:08:17,270 --> 00:08:15,180 coming and talking about their opinion 192 00:08:23,290 --> 00:08:17,280 or their experience with the event wow 193 00:08:26,810 --> 00:08:23,300 that's great if I could make a point 194 00:08:29,090 --> 00:08:26,820 I've known Travis now for her for a 195 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:29,100 while and I've had a chance to really 196 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:30,450 get to know him at a number of our 197 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:32,810 conferences where he was our features 198 00:08:38,420 --> 00:08:36,330 guest speaker and the thing that always 199 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:38,430 stand out for me of course you know it's 200 00:08:44,230 --> 00:08:41,370 just a one heck of a humble guy you know 201 00:08:47,300 --> 00:08:44,240 a straight shooter but the other thing I 202 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:47,310 maybe when the question is asked well 203 00:08:51,710 --> 00:08:49,410 even what would you do if this happened 204 00:08:52,700 --> 00:08:51,720 to you again and and he said I won't 205 00:08:55,340 --> 00:08:52,710 tell anybody 206 00:08:58,579 --> 00:08:55,350 hmm he says I would want to want to go 207 00:09:00,380 --> 00:08:58,589 through what I had to go through but but 208 00:09:03,470 --> 00:09:00,390 obviously you know he's gone through so 209 00:09:05,210 --> 00:09:03,480 much over the years and his mission is 210 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:05,220 to make sure that the story is told 211 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:06,930 correctly and rather than having other 212 00:09:12,680 --> 00:09:09,810 people interpret and or misrepresent his 213 00:09:15,519 --> 00:09:12,690 story so tomorrow is going to be really 214 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:15,529 awesome and the rest of the weekend 215 00:09:22,070 --> 00:09:18,450 Alejandro and and Karen have worked very 216 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:22,080 hard to along with Travis and a number 217 00:09:25,100 --> 00:09:23,370 of other people to put this conference 218 00:09:26,990 --> 00:09:25,110 together so it being the fourth 219 00:09:29,180 --> 00:09:27,000 anniversary there's gonna be a very 220 00:09:31,820 --> 00:09:29,190 special event right parents done an 221 00:09:35,510 --> 00:09:31,830 amazing job yes I didn't realize that 222 00:09:38,510 --> 00:09:35,520 the Karen was your Karen yeah my Karen 223 00:09:40,490 --> 00:09:38,520 yeah cuz we had a conversation getting 224 00:09:43,850 --> 00:09:40,500 getting some people speaking Ali 225 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:43,860 speaking one of them for one to pipe up 226 00:09:50,269 --> 00:09:46,410 and talk about the conference coming up 227 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:50,279 tomorrow yeah yeah well great did you 228 00:09:58,100 --> 00:09:53,370 have any news or I do our every week I 229 00:10:00,019 --> 00:09:58,110 got news minute so the news this week 230 00:10:02,090 --> 00:10:00,029 this one's kind of fun because this is a 231 00:10:05,329 --> 00:10:02,100 story written by Roger Marsh from MUFON 232 00:10:06,850 --> 00:10:05,339 for our site and this was about a Texas 233 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:06,860 sighting that included a photograph 234 00:10:10,910 --> 00:10:08,850 where these people said they saw 235 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:10,920 something bright they took a picture 236 00:10:16,250 --> 00:10:13,410 that the kid in the car took the picture 237 00:10:19,070 --> 00:10:16,260 and then the in the picture there's kind 238 00:10:21,290 --> 00:10:19,080 of a cylindrical object that turned up 239 00:10:23,540 --> 00:10:21,300 so kind of a weird photo it's kind of 240 00:10:25,699 --> 00:10:23,550 cool because at San Antonio newspaper 241 00:10:26,660 --> 00:10:25,709 picked up this story and wrote about it 242 00:10:28,550 --> 00:10:26,670 today 243 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:28,560 some people have been debating one 244 00:10:34,820 --> 00:10:30,330 person said they think it looks like a 245 00:10:38,780 --> 00:10:34,830 road sign that is blurred from motion 246 00:10:40,579 --> 00:10:38,790 blur I don't know that I necessarily see 247 00:10:43,069 --> 00:10:40,589 that it does kind of look like it's an 248 00:10:46,190 --> 00:10:43,079 object that might be affected by motion 249 00:10:48,530 --> 00:10:46,200 blur but it's not like apparently 250 00:10:50,269 --> 00:10:48,540 obvious what this might be so be great 251 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:50,279 if your listeners could look at that and 252 00:10:55,490 --> 00:10:53,370 if anybody can tell what do you think 253 00:10:58,790 --> 00:10:55,500 Ruben don't picture the town it's hard 254 00:11:02,380 --> 00:10:58,800 to tell it's an image faded out image 255 00:11:06,910 --> 00:11:02,390 above and I guess it's determined 256 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:06,920 if it's closer to the to the street or 257 00:11:11,259 --> 00:11:09,050 if it's far off at a distance yeah it's 258 00:11:13,540 --> 00:11:11,269 hard to tell even how close to the 259 00:11:15,579 --> 00:11:13,550 object they are but kind of an 260 00:11:17,860 --> 00:11:15,589 interesting picture now is this the one 261 00:11:20,560 --> 00:11:17,870 where it's a it's looking vertical like 262 00:11:23,259 --> 00:11:20,570 a cylindrical yeah exactly 263 00:11:25,329 --> 00:11:23,269 yeah yes that is really an interesting 264 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:25,339 picture and that would be on our show 265 00:11:33,069 --> 00:11:28,850 notes and well as well as link to open 266 00:11:35,470 --> 00:11:33,079 minds TV for the whole story it is kind 267 00:11:38,079 --> 00:11:35,480 of funny Reuben is pointing below the 268 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:38,089 pictures is another giant cylindrical 269 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:40,490 object but that's a giant rolled-up 270 00:11:45,310 --> 00:11:43,250 Assad or I think it's hay or sod 271 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:45,320 actually I think it's sod and it was 272 00:11:52,259 --> 00:11:48,370 taken where and for in Texas this is in 273 00:11:56,319 --> 00:11:52,269 Frisco Frisco getting frisky in Frisco 274 00:11:57,970 --> 00:11:56,329 so we have unidentified flying sod is 275 00:12:02,040 --> 00:11:57,980 that what you're trying to say yeah well 276 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:02,050 it's not playing we have identified 277 00:12:08,710 --> 00:12:06,170 stagnant laying there sod okay they're 278 00:12:12,100 --> 00:12:08,720 nothing but we do have another one this 279 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:12,110 is a video from California and this 280 00:12:17,949 --> 00:12:15,290 one's kind of strange and I'll play this 281 00:12:21,490 --> 00:12:17,959 for Reubens sake I don't know if you saw 282 00:12:25,210 --> 00:12:21,500 this one I have Martin but it's it's the 283 00:12:26,710 --> 00:12:25,220 video is not that great because it seems 284 00:12:28,810 --> 00:12:26,720 like I don't know what's going on with 285 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:28,820 the camera here but it's just these 286 00:12:36,730 --> 00:12:31,730 lights in the sky he actually took three 287 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:36,740 videos and we have a fun asite the best 288 00:12:40,630 --> 00:12:39,170 out of the three but these lights kind 289 00:12:44,199 --> 00:12:40,640 of turning on and off 290 00:12:45,970 --> 00:12:44,209 they're multicolored and just kind of 291 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:45,980 weird that the witness says he thinks 292 00:12:49,870 --> 00:12:47,690 that these lights were interacting with 293 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:49,880 each other that perhaps one of them 294 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:52,370 beamed one of the others he thinks you 295 00:12:55,630 --> 00:12:54,050 know maybe they were battling up there 296 00:12:58,030 --> 00:12:55,640 or something I don't know about that 297 00:12:59,680 --> 00:12:58,040 because they do most of the time look 298 00:13:01,900 --> 00:12:59,690 like they're in place but they do turn 299 00:13:04,870 --> 00:13:01,910 on and off and they are different colors 300 00:13:08,470 --> 00:13:04,880 so kind of an interesting video there 301 00:13:10,650 --> 00:13:08,480 from Castro Valley California that's 302 00:13:13,750 --> 00:13:10,660 right next door to where I live where do 303 00:13:14,610 --> 00:13:13,760 I live in Hayward oh yeah I know where 304 00:13:16,590 --> 00:13:14,620 that is 305 00:13:18,570 --> 00:13:16,600 Castro Valley is right next door we've 306 00:13:21,450 --> 00:13:18,580 gotten some other footages from other 307 00:13:23,670 --> 00:13:21,460 witnesses in the past in that area there 308 00:13:26,490 --> 00:13:23,680 it's weird it's definitely again this is 309 00:13:28,530 --> 00:13:26,500 our data bond case this will be follow 310 00:13:30,150 --> 00:13:28,540 up with one of our investigators and in 311 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:30,160 fact I think let me see 312 00:13:33,690 --> 00:13:32,050 usually Roger will put in the story and 313 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:33,700 I can't remember on this one if it was 314 00:13:37,620 --> 00:13:35,650 investigated you probably would know who 315 00:13:40,380 --> 00:13:37,630 it was 316 00:13:44,070 --> 00:13:40,390 tell me the county calculate the state 317 00:13:46,530 --> 00:13:44,080 section director Kim investigated it and 318 00:13:48,930 --> 00:13:46,540 closed it as an unknown okay Kim comes 319 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:48,940 from San Francisco area mm-hmm which is 320 00:13:53,700 --> 00:13:50,770 near where you are yes we write in the 321 00:13:55,740 --> 00:13:53,710 San Francisco Bay Area so this is we 322 00:13:58,140 --> 00:13:55,750 have a several investigators that live 323 00:14:00,750 --> 00:13:58,150 in and Kim's one of them are you still a 324 00:14:03,090 --> 00:14:00,760 you were a section director up now to 325 00:14:05,970 --> 00:14:03,100 the state director for Northern 326 00:14:08,250 --> 00:14:05,980 California and we have an assistant 327 00:14:11,460 --> 00:14:08,260 state director and a chief investigator 328 00:14:16,650 --> 00:14:11,470 and we cover approximately 45 counties 329 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:16,660 just in Northern California alone as in 330 00:14:21,930 --> 00:14:18,970 Southern California has about 13 331 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:21,940 counties now we tend to come and as 332 00:14:28,890 --> 00:14:25,930 number one usually every month in terms 333 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:28,900 of how many cases have been reported but 334 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:31,930 also there's other a lot of sightings 335 00:14:36,420 --> 00:14:33,970 going on across the country and in other 336 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:36,430 parts of the world but Texas tends to be 337 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:38,890 number two and then we get Florida maybe 338 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:41,770 in sometimes Michigan and then in 339 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:44,410 Colorado and in a number of other states 340 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:48,850 so each month we get a deluge of cases 341 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:52,410 and it's hard to keep up yeah Ruben you 342 00:14:56,490 --> 00:14:54,970 you mentioned you know Alameda County 343 00:14:58,260 --> 00:14:56,500 and it just made me think of Alameda 344 00:15:01,590 --> 00:14:58,270 Island out there where it used to be a 345 00:15:04,350 --> 00:15:01,600 an airbase oh yeah and what was there 346 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:04,360 ever any sightings around that base did 347 00:15:10,940 --> 00:15:05,890 you ever hear any stories about that 348 00:15:14,490 --> 00:15:10,950 yes actually well when you along the bay 349 00:15:16,650 --> 00:15:14,500 we've received reports from motorists 350 00:15:18,780 --> 00:15:16,660 that are driving on a San Francisco Bay 351 00:15:21,990 --> 00:15:18,790 Bridge for example where they've seen 352 00:15:25,470 --> 00:15:22,000 strange objects along although now 353 00:15:27,060 --> 00:15:25,480 Alameda is no longer an airbase right 354 00:15:28,750 --> 00:15:27,070 and now it's a lot of development there 355 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:28,760 but we get 356 00:15:34,900 --> 00:15:31,890 interested interestingly we've gotten a 357 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:34,910 number of reports of objects out there 358 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:39,450 or mostly orbs out there in the out 359 00:15:48,050 --> 00:15:43,850 there by Golden Gate also in I think 360 00:15:51,230 --> 00:15:48,060 normally sometimes when we have Fleet 361 00:15:54,590 --> 00:15:51,240 Week then that's where the Blue Angels 362 00:15:57,950 --> 00:15:54,600 will perform right we've had a couple of 363 00:16:01,220 --> 00:15:57,960 occasions where we've had people who 364 00:16:03,620 --> 00:16:01,230 submitted their photographs of to us 365 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:03,630 where they actually captured an object 366 00:16:08,900 --> 00:16:06,570 real close to the Blue Angel formation 367 00:16:11,510 --> 00:16:08,910 and that's a no-fly zone in normally 368 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:11,520 when they perform they close down 369 00:16:15,890 --> 00:16:14,130 everything around a five mile radius but 370 00:16:18,590 --> 00:16:15,900 it's really interesting and they're able 371 00:16:20,660 --> 00:16:18,600 to capture someone something and so we 372 00:16:23,390 --> 00:16:20,670 some of these reports we had they were 373 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:23,400 determined this unknown well interesting 374 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:25,410 well running a little late here but I 375 00:16:28,970 --> 00:16:27,090 want to thank you very much Reuben it's 376 00:16:31,130 --> 00:16:28,980 great to talk to you I bet same here run 377 00:16:33,110 --> 00:16:31,140 thank you and thanks for joining us for 378 00:16:34,940 --> 00:16:33,120 the news and Alejandro thanks and we'll 379 00:16:37,220 --> 00:16:34,950 be talking to you next week all right 380 00:16:38,660 --> 00:16:37,230 thank you talk to you next week alright 381 00:16:40,580 --> 00:16:38,670 everyone so hang in there for the quick 382 00:17:35,350 --> 00:16:40,590 music break and we'll be right back with 383 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:38,720 welcome to the show David thank you for 384 00:17:44,510 --> 00:17:41,970 having me yes and last time you were on 385 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:44,520 we were just talking up when we did the 386 00:17:50,540 --> 00:17:47,010 soundcheck that was a long time ago it 387 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:50,550 was I think I think I said it was 2013 388 00:17:56,810 --> 00:17:51,090 right 389 00:17:59,690 --> 00:17:56,820 he said 2012 2012 Wow so anyway I you 390 00:18:02,570 --> 00:17:59,700 were on way back then most people I'd 391 00:18:05,150 --> 00:18:02,580 say probably everyone listening right 392 00:18:07,070 --> 00:18:05,160 now knows who you are but this podcast 393 00:18:11,060 --> 00:18:07,080 does go international so can you just 394 00:18:13,610 --> 00:18:11,070 quickly give your background and I'm 395 00:18:15,740 --> 00:18:13,620 kind of fascinated because uh I know 396 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:15,750 that you were into UFO history too at 397 00:18:22,910 --> 00:18:20,850 one time so yes you'd like me to do that 398 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:22,920 now yeah if you don't mind just you know 399 00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:24,810 kind of a quick in a nutshell 400 00:18:29,450 --> 00:18:26,880 your background how you get interested 401 00:18:33,550 --> 00:18:29,460 in all that well I got interested in the 402 00:18:40,370 --> 00:18:33,560 UFO phenomenon when in the mid 1960s 403 00:18:42,650 --> 00:18:40,380 around 65 66 and I that summer I went to 404 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:42,660 my wife and I went to Madison Wisconsin 405 00:18:50,090 --> 00:18:45,930 from UCLA where we were at for graduate 406 00:18:52,730 --> 00:18:50,100 school and I became extremely interested 407 00:18:55,580 --> 00:18:52,740 in it there too and I joined national 408 00:18:57,950 --> 00:18:55,590 UFO groups and I saw our reading UFO 409 00:19:00,650 --> 00:18:57,960 magazines and I became a field 410 00:19:02,330 --> 00:19:00,660 investigator unquote and ran around 411 00:19:05,420 --> 00:19:02,340 interviewing people and all the rest of 412 00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:05,430 that sort of thing and I wound up 413 00:19:09,290 --> 00:19:07,440 writing my doctoral dissertation in 414 00:19:12,980 --> 00:19:09,300 Wisconsin on the controversy over 415 00:19:17,030 --> 00:19:12,990 unidentified flying objects and I just 416 00:19:20,780 --> 00:19:17,040 sort of stuck with it after that and in 417 00:19:22,970 --> 00:19:20,790 1982 I met but Hopkins for the first 418 00:19:25,610 --> 00:19:22,980 time and he introduced me to the 419 00:19:27,620 --> 00:19:25,620 abduction phenomenon which I didn't have 420 00:19:32,780 --> 00:19:27,630 a whole lot of interest in beforehand 421 00:19:34,910 --> 00:19:32,790 and in 1986 four years later I started 422 00:19:40,250 --> 00:19:34,920 doing my own hypnosis with AB deputies 423 00:19:45,250 --> 00:19:40,260 and consequently here we are 424 00:19:48,370 --> 00:19:45,260 uh-huh and you've written several books 425 00:19:50,530 --> 00:19:48,380 well I've published five the first one 426 00:19:53,530 --> 00:19:50,540 was my dissertation with an added 427 00:19:55,870 --> 00:19:53,540 chapter in it more research the second 428 00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:55,880 one was called the UFO controversy in 429 00:20:03,010 --> 00:19:57,890 America published by Indiana University 430 00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:03,020 Press and then the second one was called 431 00:20:08,590 --> 00:20:05,360 secret life which came out 92 which was 432 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:08,600 about abductions and then five years 433 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:11,090 later the threat came out which was also 434 00:20:16,090 --> 00:20:13,730 about abductions then I published an 435 00:20:18,430 --> 00:20:16,100 edited book called the UFOs and 436 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:18,440 abductions challenging the borders of 437 00:20:25,180 --> 00:20:23,090 knowledge and with ten people who were 438 00:20:28,780 --> 00:20:25,190 very involved with the subject including 439 00:20:30,370 --> 00:20:28,790 one sort of debunker and that was 440 00:20:34,060 --> 00:20:30,380 published by the University Press of 441 00:20:35,380 --> 00:20:34,070 Kansas and then my last book and it's 442 00:20:37,900 --> 00:20:35,390 been a long time because they had that 443 00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:37,910 that was Depp was published in year 2000 444 00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:40,640 here it is 15 years later and I've got 445 00:20:47,169 --> 00:20:44,480 another book walking among us uh-huh so 446 00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:47,179 we're gonna talk about that just to let 447 00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:49,520 you know we have a couple things as a 448 00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:52,640 live show we have a call-in number for 449 00:20:56,350 --> 00:20:53,840 the listener out there if you're 450 00:20:58,150 --> 00:20:56,360 listening live six oh three nine six 451 00:20:59,650 --> 00:20:58,160 seven four OH three oh we also have a 452 00:21:01,750 --> 00:20:59,660 chatroom some questions we're already 453 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:01,760 piling in there a minute ago 454 00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:04,970 and I will get to those but let's first 455 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:07,760 talk about your book how long why did it 456 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:10,090 take you so long to write another book 457 00:21:16,780 --> 00:21:13,850 well I was hearing the same things I was 458 00:21:22,090 --> 00:21:16,790 continuing to do loads and loads of UFO 459 00:21:25,419 --> 00:21:22,100 research and starting in 2005 I began to 460 00:21:31,780 --> 00:21:25,429 hear things that were a difference than 461 00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:31,790 what I'd heard before and there was a 462 00:21:40,060 --> 00:21:34,640 2003 now that I think about 2003 I'm 463 00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:40,070 sorry and I waited for other people to 464 00:21:46,299 --> 00:21:44,960 say the same things and pretty soon more 465 00:21:49,169 --> 00:21:46,309 and more people were saying the same 466 00:21:52,750 --> 00:21:49,179 things without knowing about the others 467 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:52,760 and I eventually decided that this would 468 00:22:00,580 --> 00:21:57,330 be sort of a an ending of my 469 00:22:04,999 --> 00:22:00,590 duction career-type book that is to say 470 00:22:09,019 --> 00:22:05,009 once I wrote what I knew now once I 471 00:22:11,149 --> 00:22:09,029 wrote it up I might be able to just do 472 00:22:15,549 --> 00:22:11,159 what my life's ambition is which is to 473 00:22:19,789 --> 00:22:17,749 but I couldn't get the book published 474 00:22:21,259 --> 00:22:19,799 just could get it tried for several 475 00:22:24,139 --> 00:22:21,269 years couldn't get a publisher could get 476 00:22:29,289 --> 00:22:24,149 it published and this was starting 477 00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:29,299 around night around 2008 or so and 478 00:22:39,289 --> 00:22:34,320 finally I found the press who was that 479 00:22:43,070 --> 00:22:39,299 who was willing to do it and and so it 480 00:22:45,789 --> 00:22:43,080 took 15 years of of research and but 481 00:22:48,379 --> 00:22:45,799 also searching for a publisher Wow now 482 00:22:52,159 --> 00:22:48,389 did you go back to the publishers of 483 00:22:54,019 --> 00:22:52,169 your other four books oh yeah well you 484 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:54,029 can't publish a book by yourself you 485 00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:57,330 must have an agent and and that's what 486 00:23:03,109 --> 00:22:59,039 she did she went back to Simon and 487 00:23:05,379 --> 00:23:03,119 Schuster and the problem with that's 488 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:05,389 that happened the Simon & Schuster was 489 00:23:13,930 --> 00:23:09,690 that I I had this book to threat they 490 00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:13,940 had actually requested of the book and 491 00:23:19,609 --> 00:23:17,039 it's a good book it holds up I the 492 00:23:21,799 --> 00:23:19,619 secret life has all has flaws in it now 493 00:23:24,499 --> 00:23:21,809 that I realized no no more no more about 494 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:24,509 the subject but the threat is very good 495 00:23:30,139 --> 00:23:26,129 it's pretty solid all the way through 496 00:23:31,310 --> 00:23:30,149 and and so everything was fine 497 00:23:32,930 --> 00:23:31,320 everything was great they put me on a 498 00:23:34,639 --> 00:23:32,940 book tour let's say that was for a 499 00:23:37,249 --> 00:23:34,649 secret life and the first place I went 500 00:23:40,639 --> 00:23:37,259 was CNN and then I went to on another 501 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:40,649 the next day another outlet of some sort 502 00:23:45,529 --> 00:23:42,690 and then we flew to San Fran we were 503 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:45,539 gonna fly to San Francisco or or we did 504 00:23:52,759 --> 00:23:47,570 fly to San Francisco to do a show and 505 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:52,769 and then basically it came to a halting 506 00:24:01,249 --> 00:23:56,369 screech when the Monica Lewinsky story 507 00:24:05,450 --> 00:24:01,259 broke and I was canceled on virtually 508 00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:05,460 every show that they had set up and that 509 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:08,159 was the end of the book tour so that 510 00:24:13,130 --> 00:24:10,890 didn't only affect the White House 511 00:24:18,650 --> 00:24:13,140 affected you as well it was the White 512 00:24:20,780 --> 00:24:18,660 House and so so in other words I never 513 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:20,790 made up the advances they gave me I'm 514 00:24:24,530 --> 00:24:22,770 still paying it out so to speak I don't 515 00:24:29,690 --> 00:24:24,540 make many any royalties on the book it 516 00:24:33,020 --> 00:24:29,700 all goes for the advance I wanted to say 517 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:33,030 also just for the listener out there the 518 00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:36,450 music that I just played in this intro 519 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:39,440 it's called hybrids among us and that is 520 00:24:46,430 --> 00:24:42,690 Mumbai Carrie Lloyd Whitehouse who wrote 521 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:46,440 this music and dedicated it to Andy 522 00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:49,650 Fleming who used to be on this show 523 00:24:54,620 --> 00:24:52,799 and so that music is available also he 524 00:24:58,490 --> 00:24:54,630 said anyone can download it and use it 525 00:24:59,810 --> 00:24:58,500 and that's right on our sidebar and the 526 00:25:01,789 --> 00:24:59,820 chat room was wondering why I wasn't 527 00:25:03,740 --> 00:25:01,799 active just a few minutes ago and that 528 00:25:05,570 --> 00:25:03,750 is I just want to apologize to everyone 529 00:25:09,500 --> 00:25:05,580 because I just mentioned that we have 530 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:09,510 our t-shirt graphic contest and while I 531 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:12,570 was trying madly just a few minutes ago 532 00:25:17,210 --> 00:25:15,690 to get a voting poll in there I deleted 533 00:25:19,220 --> 00:25:17,220 the whole thing so though all the 534 00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:19,230 t-shirt graphics are gone please check 535 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:20,910 back in a couple of days when I get that 536 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:26,900 all right so that's enough housekeeping 537 00:25:35,659 --> 00:25:31,770 and so so David you said that you 538 00:25:37,820 --> 00:25:35,669 started your interest in the abductions 539 00:25:41,930 --> 00:25:37,830 all the way back in 1986 is that what I 540 00:25:44,030 --> 00:25:41,940 heard in 82 and 82 I got when I met but 541 00:25:45,500 --> 00:25:44,040 Hopkins he introduced me to I mean I 542 00:25:47,270 --> 00:25:45,510 knew about Barney and Betty Hill and I 543 00:25:52,100 --> 00:25:47,280 read the andreas an affair and some 544 00:25:55,460 --> 00:25:52,110 other stuff but it just didn't seem all 545 00:25:56,990 --> 00:25:55,470 that convincing to me and and and and 546 00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:57,000 the problem with abductions just said 547 00:26:04,280 --> 00:25:58,080 they come straight out of people's 548 00:26:07,310 --> 00:26:04,290 brains as opposed to UFOs where you can 549 00:26:08,930 --> 00:26:07,320 see something you might be mistaken but 550 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:08,940 there's ways of measuring it there's 551 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:11,010 radar there's film there's there's all 552 00:26:17,580 --> 00:26:13,410 sorts of things that that we know about 553 00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:17,590 you that we know for evidence about UFOs 554 00:26:21,570 --> 00:26:20,320 with abductions it's mental or it's 555 00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:21,580 happening there's nothing in the middle 556 00:26:28,770 --> 00:26:24,880 you you can't be mistaken about 557 00:26:32,670 --> 00:26:28,780 something you've either making it up 558 00:26:34,850 --> 00:26:32,680 whether you know it or not or it's or 559 00:26:39,540 --> 00:26:34,860 it's happening in reality one of the two 560 00:26:42,210 --> 00:26:39,550 so I was conservative and I went for the 561 00:26:43,860 --> 00:26:42,220 making it up aspect of it even though 562 00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:43,870 Barney Betty Hill were different there 563 00:26:49,260 --> 00:26:46,240 were two different people but one case 564 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:49,270 like that does not a a world make you 565 00:26:54,060 --> 00:26:51,610 know you have to wait for others of the 566 00:26:56,130 --> 00:26:54,070 same kind and I was much more 567 00:27:01,890 --> 00:26:56,140 comfortable with UFOs to tell you the 568 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:01,900 truth but Hopkins showed me how he had 569 00:27:05,970 --> 00:27:03,850 me sit in on sessions with him that he 570 00:27:07,740 --> 00:27:05,980 was saying of my hypnosis sessions and 571 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:07,750 he introduced me to abductees because I 572 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:11,050 I had never met one before and and he 573 00:27:15,660 --> 00:27:13,330 was extremely gracious and very kind and 574 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:15,670 very giving in terms of what he was 575 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:21,970 doing and I it was obvious to me that he 576 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:22,810 was onto something 577 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:25,210 I remember I I was directed with the 578 00:27:31,220 --> 00:27:26,890 American Studies program at Temple at 579 00:27:33,900 --> 00:27:31,230 that time and I came back after visiting 580 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:33,910 turns out that that I had gone on my 581 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:35,410 wife and I and our baby had gone on 582 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:39,730 vacation in exactly the same spot that 583 00:27:45,210 --> 00:27:43,930 Budd Hopkins is owns a house and is 584 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:45,220 there for the whole summer that's in 585 00:27:52,620 --> 00:27:48,330 Wellfleet Massachusetts on Cape Cod and 586 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:52,630 I came back from from seeing but up in 587 00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:55,930 Wellfleet and I told Allen Hynek who was 588 00:28:00,150 --> 00:27:57,850 a friend of mine of the the Dean of 589 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:00,160 abduction of the UFO researchers in the 590 00:28:06,030 --> 00:28:02,170 country and farmer advisors to the Air 591 00:28:10,590 --> 00:28:06,040 Force were for UFOs from 1948 to 1969 592 00:28:14,940 --> 00:28:10,600 and I told him that this guy but Hopkins 593 00:28:16,830 --> 00:28:14,950 I think was on to something that I was 594 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:16,840 impressed by what he was showing me and 595 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:19,810 telling me you know that and Alan said 596 00:28:24,030 --> 00:28:22,570 no no stay away from that David stay 597 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:24,040 away from that stuff you just stick with 598 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:26,770 UFOs don't don't go near that abduction 599 00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:27,850 and stuff 600 00:28:31,500 --> 00:28:29,679 I said I don't know Alan I think he's 601 00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:31,510 got it something here this is this is a 602 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:34,809 and you know who reiterated that the 603 00:28:40,740 --> 00:28:37,330 that was just not the way to go now he 604 00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:40,750 they just it wasn't in his in his world 605 00:28:46,049 --> 00:28:44,320 you know but I I should have actually 606 00:28:47,580 --> 00:28:46,059 just taken his advice advice and I've 607 00:28:53,130 --> 00:28:47,590 been a happy person for the rest of my 608 00:28:55,919 --> 00:28:53,140 life but I didn't and and so I I got 609 00:28:58,560 --> 00:28:55,929 ensnared and the abduction phenomenon 610 00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:58,570 yeah a couple of things you just 611 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:01,120 mentioned a minute ago that it all comes 612 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:04,330 from the brain are there any cases that 613 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:05,890 you're aware of where there was 614 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:09,130 witnesses to an abduction that Oh total 615 00:29:13,919 --> 00:29:12,010 bystanders oh absolutely there there are 616 00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:13,929 cases like that but the most famous one 617 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:17,919 was the Linda Cortile case that but but 618 00:29:21,419 --> 00:29:19,330 Hopkins wrote a book about called 619 00:29:23,549 --> 00:29:21,429 witnessed where I can't remember I think 620 00:29:23,820 --> 00:29:23,559 it was 24 to 29 it was something like 621 00:29:27,690 --> 00:29:23,830 that 622 00:29:31,169 --> 00:29:27,700 of witnesses to the actual event or to 623 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:31,179 the matters surrounding the event you 624 00:29:35,820 --> 00:29:32,770 know I was I was contacted by someone 625 00:29:37,409 --> 00:29:35,830 that told me that there was new evidence 626 00:29:39,289 --> 00:29:37,419 or something that came up that that was 627 00:29:44,490 --> 00:29:39,299 a hoax do you know anything about that 628 00:29:46,409 --> 00:29:44,500 yes I do it's not a hoax okay so I know 629 00:29:48,919 --> 00:29:46,419 Linda Cortile very well and I knew Budd 630 00:29:51,330 --> 00:29:48,929 and I know how hard he worked 631 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:51,340 interviewing as many human beings as he 632 00:29:59,820 --> 00:29:56,770 could possibly get and there have 633 00:30:03,870 --> 00:29:59,830 there's a lot of characters around who 634 00:30:07,289 --> 00:30:03,880 really liked tearing people down and you 635 00:30:09,779 --> 00:30:07,299 got to be very careful because the Linda 636 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:09,789 Cortile case is is a very good case and 637 00:30:14,850 --> 00:30:13,210 a very strong case which you understand 638 00:30:17,070 --> 00:30:14,860 sort of everything that happens now 639 00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:17,080 remember they float through the wall 640 00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:20,049 there's a some type of dignitary in a 641 00:30:24,930 --> 00:30:22,960 limo or something that witness what am I 642 00:30:29,310 --> 00:30:24,940 getting the right one yeah that's the 643 00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:29,320 one actually the the initial aspect of 644 00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:32,080 it was people in their cars on the book 645 00:30:37,860 --> 00:30:34,809 from bridge saw Linda flying out her 646 00:30:43,250 --> 00:30:37,870 window from she lives in 647 00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:43,260 high-rise apartment in New York City and 648 00:30:48,060 --> 00:30:46,480 they there was a UFO and there was three 649 00:30:50,340 --> 00:30:48,070 aliens with her and there were people 650 00:30:54,090 --> 00:30:50,350 who were staring at this with their jaws 651 00:30:57,420 --> 00:30:54,100 open and from their cars and one of them 652 00:31:00,450 --> 00:30:57,430 wrote to Budd saying this is what she 653 00:31:05,820 --> 00:31:00,460 had seen and bud had already done a 654 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:05,830 session on on that incident and but he 655 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:09,130 hadn't dug very deeply into it it just 656 00:31:11,850 --> 00:31:10,690 sort of happened it happened then she 657 00:31:15,780 --> 00:31:11,860 described what happened to her on board 658 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:15,790 the UFO and this and that and nobody 659 00:31:19,799 --> 00:31:16,690 knew that 660 00:31:22,290 --> 00:31:19,809 no nobody this is unknown material 661 00:31:25,380 --> 00:31:22,300 suddenly this woman car writes him then 662 00:31:27,060 --> 00:31:25,390 says on this date in 1989 I saw some 663 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:27,070 woman coming flying out of my window 664 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:31,210 with three aliens into a UFO and and 665 00:31:36,930 --> 00:31:35,410 that was that was Linda and she was she 666 00:31:39,660 --> 00:31:36,940 Curtis she correctly identified the 667 00:31:41,549 --> 00:31:39,670 building and what she had seen at the 668 00:31:44,220 --> 00:31:41,559 time and the rest that stuff and as she 669 00:31:46,770 --> 00:31:44,230 says she said to about the car she could 670 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:46,780 hear people screaming in the cars behind 671 00:31:53,850 --> 00:31:51,490 her Wow that little detail always stuck 672 00:31:56,700 --> 00:31:53,860 in my mind this is just this woman who 673 00:32:01,770 --> 00:31:56,710 lives I guess in upstate New York and it 674 00:32:04,740 --> 00:32:01,780 was there at the time and he then began 675 00:32:08,130 --> 00:32:04,750 to uncover other aspects of it and he 676 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:08,140 spent an enormous amount of time running 677 00:32:14,010 --> 00:32:12,130 down leads and and and and contacting 678 00:32:16,830 --> 00:32:14,020 people and making sure his case was 679 00:32:20,580 --> 00:32:16,840 solid and all the rest of that and it 680 00:32:23,010 --> 00:32:20,590 was and I've known Lea defer for years 681 00:32:25,820 --> 00:32:23,020 and years and years and years she is not 682 00:32:30,990 --> 00:32:25,830 the kind of a person who is going to 683 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:31,000 invent a hoax and have over 25 people or 684 00:32:37,139 --> 00:32:34,410 whatever was as part of this hoax 685 00:32:39,779 --> 00:32:37,149 including 686 00:32:41,579 --> 00:32:39,789 these people who witnessed this on the 687 00:32:45,659 --> 00:32:41,589 ground one of whom was a major 688 00:32:48,829 --> 00:32:45,669 international figure and all that you 689 00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:48,839 just this is this 690 00:32:55,529 --> 00:32:53,440 misil take a team of people working for 691 00:33:01,320 --> 00:32:55,539 like for a movie for a year to get all 692 00:33:03,839 --> 00:33:01,330 this just right this is not just not not 693 00:33:05,609 --> 00:33:03,849 possible for one person to do to pull 694 00:33:07,649 --> 00:33:05,619 all these strings and not a single 695 00:33:10,709 --> 00:33:07,659 person coming forward and saying well 696 00:33:12,329 --> 00:33:10,719 you know Linda told me to do this and 697 00:33:14,249 --> 00:33:12,339 she she slipped me a hundred dollar bill 698 00:33:17,879 --> 00:33:14,259 or something like that nothing like that 699 00:33:19,950 --> 00:33:17,889 ever ever ever came about sure now I 700 00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:19,960 noticed um I can hear a little bit of 701 00:33:26,180 --> 00:33:21,519 feedback if you wouldn't mind turning 702 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:26,190 down your volume just a little bit okay 703 00:33:32,219 --> 00:33:28,690 there's a question up on the message 704 00:33:34,409 --> 00:33:32,229 board for us as for dr. Jacobs is there 705 00:33:37,139 --> 00:33:34,419 other current researchers you have 706 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:37,149 collaborated with that share your hybrid 707 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:40,690 alien agenda theory and in parentheses 708 00:33:46,169 --> 00:33:43,570 in parentheses he mentions that you 709 00:33:50,489 --> 00:33:46,179 mentioned deceased researchers such as 710 00:33:54,629 --> 00:33:50,499 Budd Hopkins is there anyone living yeah 711 00:33:58,009 --> 00:33:54,639 I I don't know there's only a handful of 712 00:34:00,779 --> 00:33:58,019 serious researchers in this country it's 713 00:34:03,859 --> 00:34:00,789 absolutely awful 714 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:03,869 there's Yvonne Smith in LA oh yes and 715 00:34:14,250 --> 00:34:09,010 there's Kathy Martin in Florida and Jed 716 00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:14,260 Turnbull in New York City and there's a 717 00:34:19,409 --> 00:34:17,529 few others but but it's not like there's 718 00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:19,419 there's hundreds of them out there and 719 00:34:26,940 --> 00:34:22,000 just waiting for people to tell them 720 00:34:29,369 --> 00:34:26,950 things and it's it's considered it's 721 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:29,379 worse now and we used to have more 722 00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:32,169 researchers there was used to be John 723 00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:34,089 Mack you know and of course it was but 724 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:36,879 and there were there were others as well 725 00:34:45,539 --> 00:34:43,210 who who went on to having a life yes I 726 00:34:47,879 --> 00:34:45,549 just stuck with with the abduction 727 00:34:48,340 --> 00:34:47,889 phenomenon and I guess that Yvonne would 728 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:48,350 be close 729 00:34:55,570 --> 00:34:52,330 to me and but now I I've had a 730 00:34:59,440 --> 00:34:55,580 tremendous advantage over almost anybody 731 00:35:01,720 --> 00:34:59,450 and everybody because I retired from 732 00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:01,730 Temple University in 2011 but before 733 00:35:09,820 --> 00:35:05,510 that I could spend a lot of time with 734 00:35:11,410 --> 00:35:09,830 abductors I could I taught on a Monday 735 00:35:14,050 --> 00:35:11,420 Wednesday Friday or a Tuesday Thursday 736 00:35:16,300 --> 00:35:14,060 schedule so if I turn on a Tuesday 737 00:35:17,650 --> 00:35:16,310 Thursday schedule I could have time on 738 00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:17,660 Monday Wednesday Friday in my home 739 00:35:24,700 --> 00:35:22,310 office to work with abductees I would 740 00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:24,710 spend yeah between 4 and 5 hours with 741 00:35:29,050 --> 00:35:26,240 each one of them and now we're talking 742 00:35:31,330 --> 00:35:29,060 at the beginning a couple of hours of 743 00:35:34,690 --> 00:35:31,340 hypnosis that an hour of talking at the 744 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:34,700 end etc and they could come as many 745 00:35:41,140 --> 00:35:36,530 times as they wanted neither bug nor I 746 00:35:44,820 --> 00:35:41,150 ever charged any money for this and I 747 00:35:48,670 --> 00:35:44,830 work with people sometimes for decades 748 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:48,680 so I could see change over time on I 749 00:35:54,610 --> 00:35:52,010 could understand how this how the 750 00:35:58,030 --> 00:35:54,620 operation of this abduction phenomenon 751 00:36:00,330 --> 00:35:58,040 was going and and I learned how to how 752 00:36:03,580 --> 00:36:00,340 to do a kind of questioning that I is 753 00:36:05,530 --> 00:36:03,590 chronological and logical nothing is 754 00:36:08,050 --> 00:36:05,540 taken for granted everything is sort of 755 00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:08,060 logical now I shouldn't say nothing is 756 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:09,680 taken for granted because of I'm working 757 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:12,650 with somebody for the 40th time then 758 00:36:16,750 --> 00:36:15,170 when she says to me well I got up on a 759 00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:16,760 table and do I have to go through all 760 00:36:21,940 --> 00:36:18,320 what they did on the table and I'll say 761 00:36:23,230 --> 00:36:21,950 no because I've already heard hundreds 762 00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:23,240 of hundreds and hundreds of cases of 763 00:36:26,590 --> 00:36:24,560 people's on table I know what they do 764 00:36:28,090 --> 00:36:26,600 and I've heard her many times and that 765 00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:28,100 what they do so will go on to other 766 00:36:35,050 --> 00:36:28,730 things 767 00:36:39,220 --> 00:36:35,060 but so so I but I became very much aware 768 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:39,230 of change over time hey keep that 769 00:36:44,290 --> 00:36:40,970 thought just one second I just want to 770 00:36:47,230 --> 00:36:44,300 address this up collar person just tried 771 00:36:49,180 --> 00:36:47,240 to call in please be patient I can't 772 00:36:52,450 --> 00:36:49,190 always answer right away 773 00:36:54,460 --> 00:36:52,460 so if you're you try to call in and I 774 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:54,470 couldn't answer please do try to call in 775 00:36:59,470 --> 00:36:56,690 and just be patient I'll get right to 776 00:37:01,180 --> 00:36:59,480 you as soon as I can okay keep going if 777 00:37:06,250 --> 00:37:01,190 you would 778 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:06,260 well the point is is that that I I was 779 00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:09,650 fortunate to have the time and people 780 00:37:13,779 --> 00:37:11,599 could come as many times as they wanted 781 00:37:15,700 --> 00:37:13,789 to they could they could stop a lot of 782 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:15,710 them stop coming after one session that 783 00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:21,530 was it and and but there's one person 784 00:37:29,289 --> 00:37:25,760 for example named Karen Morgan who's in 785 00:37:31,059 --> 00:37:29,299 my new book and she's in secret life 786 00:37:33,700 --> 00:37:31,069 she's in the threat and she's in my new 787 00:37:37,620 --> 00:37:33,710 book and each one you can see that you 788 00:37:41,890 --> 00:37:37,630 change over time and in that and those 789 00:37:47,230 --> 00:37:41,900 and so III could spend a lot of time 790 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:47,240 with them and and mmin Tangis having 791 00:37:53,319 --> 00:37:49,130 let's just say it's a lot of time for 792 00:37:55,180 --> 00:37:53,329 two hours and a lot of people who were 793 00:37:56,559 --> 00:37:55,190 having the therapists do this and you 794 00:38:01,089 --> 00:37:56,569 know they can only afford it so much 795 00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:01,099 time and they eat a person and they 796 00:38:05,410 --> 00:38:02,960 asked a bunch of questions this and that 797 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:05,420 this and then it's time to go now they 798 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:06,770 have to talk to the person first and 799 00:38:09,839 --> 00:38:07,490 they have to talk to the person 800 00:38:16,420 --> 00:38:09,849 afterwards too you know so so there's 801 00:38:19,569 --> 00:38:16,430 and and it's a different sort of I don't 802 00:38:23,950 --> 00:38:19,579 know environment with me I have a home 803 00:38:26,500 --> 00:38:23,960 office and all that so I was extremely 804 00:38:32,859 --> 00:38:26,510 fortunate extremely fortunate and my 805 00:38:35,410 --> 00:38:32,869 wife bore everything with dignity we 806 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:35,420 have been married my wife died earlier 807 00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:37,010 this year but we would be married for 51 808 00:38:43,839 --> 00:38:39,440 years so she was in on everything and 809 00:38:47,230 --> 00:38:43,849 she she was was perfectly fine with with 810 00:38:49,289 --> 00:38:47,240 my spending all my time with with 811 00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:49,299 abduction people with abductors you know 812 00:38:53,769 --> 00:38:51,440 so everything just sort of fell into 813 00:38:55,890 --> 00:38:53,779 place everything everything was was good 814 00:38:58,329 --> 00:38:55,900 for me in terms of doing this research 815 00:39:00,910 --> 00:38:58,339 and the same thing with but from anyway 816 00:39:02,410 --> 00:39:00,920 he was he was an artist he had all he 817 00:39:05,140 --> 00:39:02,420 had time that he could put aside for 818 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:05,150 doing abduction research now here's the 819 00:39:09,819 --> 00:39:08,210 problem now supposing somebody young 820 00:39:11,470 --> 00:39:09,829 comes along and he wants to be an 821 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:11,480 abduction research and he wants to do 822 00:39:16,570 --> 00:39:12,290 hip 823 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:16,580 of abductees and he sir she is that's 824 00:39:26,770 --> 00:39:21,890 just a 23 the question is is he going to 825 00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:26,780 be able to do significance experiments 826 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:32,510 with people who are 63 are they going to 827 00:39:37,540 --> 00:39:34,490 tell him the intimate details of their 828 00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:37,550 personal life including sexual and 829 00:39:42,820 --> 00:39:39,440 reproductive material that happens on 830 00:39:45,130 --> 00:39:42,830 board to a 23 year old to a kid who's 831 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:45,140 sitting there the answer is that's been 832 00:39:52,900 --> 00:39:51,050 tried and it doesn't work so you have to 833 00:39:56,410 --> 00:39:52,910 get somebody who's older let's just say 834 00:40:00,700 --> 00:39:56,420 in their 40s who could do this kind of 835 00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:00,710 work because it is intimate and it's 836 00:40:09,310 --> 00:40:04,160 it's it relates to people's entire lives 837 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:09,320 and but one person is 40 they already 838 00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:12,610 have a career there are 9 to 5 worker or 839 00:40:19,090 --> 00:40:16,730 9 to 12 as the case may be these days at 840 00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:19,100 night you know the the people work 841 00:40:24,310 --> 00:40:20,510 longer and harder now than ever before 842 00:40:28,060 --> 00:40:24,320 and they they're married they have kids 843 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:28,070 and and that you know it's it they can't 844 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:30,050 go through the training it takes to 845 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:32,690 become an abduction investigator and 846 00:40:36,780 --> 00:40:35,090 then spend four or five hours several 847 00:40:40,930 --> 00:40:36,790 times a week with somebody it's just 848 00:40:43,780 --> 00:40:40,940 it's very very very difficult to get 849 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:43,790 anybody to do this and to do it right 850 00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:46,970 that's the problem right first of all I 851 00:40:51,490 --> 00:40:48,800 want to say and also up in the message 852 00:40:54,940 --> 00:40:51,500 board as well we're sorry to hear about 853 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:54,950 your wife your loss oh thank you thank 854 00:40:59,730 --> 00:40:56,450 you yeah 855 00:41:02,110 --> 00:40:59,740 now there is a question up going back to 856 00:41:06,130 --> 00:41:02,120 Linda how do you say her last name court 857 00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:06,140 to court a party oh yeah yeah someone 858 00:41:12,130 --> 00:41:08,480 want to know do you know what motive 859 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:12,140 Budd Hopkins ex-wife said the reason 860 00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:19,490 Linda Cortile was a fraud I know I read 861 00:41:26,970 --> 00:41:21,680 certain things 862 00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:26,980 aha that but Hopkins wife ex-wife said 863 00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:29,569 this was a wife that he had divorced 864 00:41:40,779 --> 00:41:34,569 before he died and and they were not 865 00:41:42,970 --> 00:41:40,789 let's just say I've read a few things - 866 00:41:43,359 --> 00:41:42,980 yeah well so I know what you're talking 867 00:41:46,180 --> 00:41:43,369 about 868 00:41:48,970 --> 00:41:46,190 they didn't part on such good terms they 869 00:41:53,230 --> 00:41:48,980 did not part on good terms and the 870 00:41:55,839 --> 00:41:53,240 Carroll a sort of went on a campaign to 871 00:41:57,999 --> 00:41:55,849 discredit him and if you know anything 872 00:42:01,859 --> 00:41:58,009 about Budd Hopkins or had ever met him 873 00:42:05,499 --> 00:42:01,869 you would realize how intelligence 874 00:42:08,319 --> 00:42:05,509 gracious and kind he was and there was 875 00:42:13,180 --> 00:42:08,329 not a crooked bone in his body I will 876 00:42:18,819 --> 00:42:13,190 say that he was a straight shooter he he 877 00:42:22,269 --> 00:42:18,829 did uncover a plot to sort of discredit 878 00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:22,279 him a guy who was who was lying to him 879 00:42:29,739 --> 00:42:27,529 and and and he did his due diligence and 880 00:42:31,479 --> 00:42:29,749 he the guy had told him some stories and 881 00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:31,489 he checked them out and they were not 882 00:42:39,489 --> 00:42:35,529 true and and he they found someone and 883 00:42:41,049 --> 00:42:39,499 you know it happens that way he worked 884 00:42:42,729 --> 00:42:41,059 with a lot more people than I worked 885 00:42:44,410 --> 00:42:42,739 with but then again I worked with people 886 00:42:47,259 --> 00:42:44,420 for a longer periods of time 887 00:42:52,269 --> 00:42:47,269 and although with Linda he worked with 888 00:42:53,710 --> 00:42:52,279 Linda for a long time and Linda I'm not 889 00:42:56,319 --> 00:42:53,720 exactly sure what she was referring to 890 00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:56,329 because she did a sort of scattergun 891 00:43:00,940 --> 00:42:58,160 thing that there was this was wrong and 892 00:43:04,569 --> 00:43:00,950 that was wrong and his all sorts of 893 00:43:06,609 --> 00:43:04,579 other things he did was wrong I don't 894 00:43:08,910 --> 00:43:06,619 agree with her but I will say this for 895 00:43:12,579 --> 00:43:08,920 myself 896 00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:12,589 there is no you have to learn how to do 897 00:43:19,630 --> 00:43:16,880 this on the fly there's no book that 898 00:43:22,809 --> 00:43:19,640 shows you exactly how to do hypnosis 899 00:43:23,470 --> 00:43:22,819 with abductees everything is new as it 900 00:43:25,690 --> 00:43:23,480 comes along 901 00:43:28,569 --> 00:43:25,700 and not everything but you're constantly 902 00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:28,579 seeing new things and and you had to 903 00:43:32,170 --> 00:43:30,079 make the decision is this correct is it 904 00:43:37,089 --> 00:43:32,180 not correct and all that 905 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:37,099 but when you do it you're you're you're 906 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:40,010 making new pathways you're clearing the 907 00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:41,930 trail for other people to come along and 908 00:43:46,210 --> 00:43:44,000 also do it and that's what that's what 909 00:43:51,420 --> 00:43:46,220 bud did and I hope that's what I'm doing 910 00:43:55,630 --> 00:43:51,430 as well but but the Linda Cortile case 911 00:43:59,079 --> 00:43:55,640 might have an oddity here and an oddity 912 00:44:01,510 --> 00:43:59,089 there but in Hana hoe this is a good 913 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:01,520 strong case as I said I've known Linda 914 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:04,010 for for many many years 915 00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:06,890 I also with question why bud would spend 916 00:44:10,660 --> 00:44:09,200 so much time with her if she was a fraud 917 00:44:13,390 --> 00:44:10,670 he wouldn't I mean that wouldn't make 918 00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:13,400 any sense to me he would have detected 919 00:44:27,069 --> 00:44:20,710 it right away but but that bud was 920 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:27,079 extremely smart and just would not have 921 00:44:31,930 --> 00:44:30,170 it's not possible for us well anything 922 00:44:34,690 --> 00:44:31,940 is possible but it's not possible in my 923 00:44:38,349 --> 00:44:34,700 opinion that that that would have 924 00:44:42,220 --> 00:44:38,359 happened with Linda Linda is is not a 925 00:44:45,220 --> 00:44:42,230 hoaxer she is she didn't there was no 926 00:44:49,630 --> 00:44:45,230 reason to be a hoaxer there was nothing 927 00:44:51,099 --> 00:44:49,640 in it for her other than the event that 928 00:44:52,510 --> 00:44:51,109 happened along with a whole bunch of 929 00:44:54,010 --> 00:44:52,520 other events that happened that nobody 930 00:44:58,359 --> 00:44:54,020 knows about this she's an abductee it's 931 00:45:01,210 --> 00:44:58,369 happened all her life and and there's 932 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:01,220 there's nothing makes everything makes 933 00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:03,770 sense if she's an abductee and had this 934 00:45:07,329 --> 00:45:05,599 experience and nothing makes sense if 935 00:45:09,789 --> 00:45:07,339 she's an advocate and didn't have this 936 00:45:11,710 --> 00:45:09,799 experience right just again 937 00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:11,720 someone tried to call in and it missed 938 00:45:16,780 --> 00:45:14,240 you if you're listening and trying to 939 00:45:18,970 --> 00:45:16,790 call and please be patient because a 940 00:45:20,530 --> 00:45:18,980 little behind the scenes here I have 941 00:45:22,900 --> 00:45:20,540 different computers that I'm looking at 942 00:45:25,150 --> 00:45:22,910 ones that in a chat room on one side and 943 00:45:26,829 --> 00:45:25,160 then the phone calls on another side so 944 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:26,839 I don't want to miss your call we can 945 00:45:33,569 --> 00:45:30,650 call again if you would let's see there 946 00:45:37,329 --> 00:45:33,579 was another question up on the board but 947 00:45:39,819 --> 00:45:37,339 excuse me one of the things they always 948 00:45:44,620 --> 00:45:39,829 you always hear and I always wonder 949 00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:44,630 about is people always say they accuse 950 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:46,250 people that do 951 00:45:52,060 --> 00:45:50,210 rushon of leading the person and what do 952 00:45:55,090 --> 00:45:52,070 you what do you say if I have to say 953 00:45:57,550 --> 00:45:55,100 about that right well almost everybody 954 00:45:59,680 --> 00:45:57,560 who comes to me knows two things number 955 00:46:01,870 --> 00:45:59,690 one they don't want to be led by the 956 00:46:04,330 --> 00:46:01,880 hypnotist I think that there are a 957 00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:04,340 teapot or a chicken or something like 958 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:07,040 that and they don't want to pick up 959 00:46:10,420 --> 00:46:08,690 things in popular culture and then 960 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:10,430 parrot them back to me as if it happened 961 00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:13,010 to them they are all aware of that this 962 00:46:18,190 --> 00:46:16,250 is not arcane information you know what 963 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:18,200 I mean this is just everybody knows that 964 00:46:21,730 --> 00:46:20,210 that that a hypnotist can make people do 965 00:46:24,250 --> 00:46:21,740 things that they don't realize they're 966 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:24,260 doing and all that well what I do is 967 00:46:29,500 --> 00:46:27,770 simple relaxation techniques and bud 968 00:46:31,690 --> 00:46:29,510 learned them from a psychologist who he 969 00:46:34,270 --> 00:46:31,700 worked with originally who did the 970 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:34,280 hypnosis and then I learned him from bud 971 00:46:37,780 --> 00:46:36,410 and it's just muscle relaxation and then 972 00:46:40,270 --> 00:46:37,790 a little bit of deepening and then I 973 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:40,280 just ask questions and people will say 974 00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:43,490 to me David I don't think I'm hypnotized 975 00:46:47,650 --> 00:46:46,250 and I'll say it doesn't matter it 976 00:46:51,370 --> 00:46:47,660 doesn't matter just says close your eyes 977 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:51,380 lay back down and it doesn't matter and 978 00:46:55,420 --> 00:46:53,210 then I started asking questions you know 979 00:46:56,890 --> 00:46:55,430 I might do a tiny bit of outcome from 3 980 00:46:58,420 --> 00:46:56,900 to 1 and you feel more and more relaxed 981 00:47:00,880 --> 00:46:58,430 something like that and that'll be it 982 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:00,890 and that's it and they you know I say I 983 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:03,970 gotta go to the bathroom I say okay fine 984 00:47:09,930 --> 00:47:07,970 I just continue questioning and then 985 00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:09,940 we'll have a discussion about something 986 00:47:15,460 --> 00:47:13,040 yeah that's relates to it during this 987 00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:15,470 session and then I'll just continue out 988 00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:17,510 with my questioning it's not like 989 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:19,520 they're in a trance and they they don't 990 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:20,690 know what they're saying or they're 991 00:47:25,210 --> 00:47:22,370 doing or they're thinking to themselves 992 00:47:27,970 --> 00:47:25,220 especially in the first session they're 993 00:47:30,190 --> 00:47:27,980 thinking to themselves this is the 994 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:30,200 dumbest question I ever heard of my life 995 00:47:36,330 --> 00:47:32,690 should I even give this guy a benefit of 996 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:36,340 an answer that's what they're thinking 997 00:47:40,540 --> 00:47:39,170 they're so worried about hypnosis the 998 00:47:42,670 --> 00:47:40,550 night before some of them don't get 999 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:42,680 sleep I have to warn them about this 1000 00:47:48,940 --> 00:47:44,810 beforehand after they do their first 1001 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:48,950 session with me it never ever occurs to 1002 00:47:54,700 --> 00:47:50,810 them to think about hypnosis as 1003 00:47:56,350 --> 00:47:54,710 something to fear ever again just once 1004 00:47:58,450 --> 00:47:56,360 they realize they're in total and 1005 00:47:59,800 --> 00:47:58,460 complete control they're thinking about 1006 00:48:01,450 --> 00:47:59,810 the questions I thinking 1007 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:01,460 about whether there's a correct question 1008 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:03,530 or not and this and that and and they 1009 00:48:08,740 --> 00:48:07,010 realize that it's just trying to dip 1010 00:48:11,970 --> 00:48:08,750 into these memories that are hidden 1011 00:48:17,710 --> 00:48:11,980 beneath the surface it's probably a 1012 00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:17,720 short-circuiting of the of the too many 1013 00:48:22,780 --> 00:48:19,970 statins in my brain I have no memory 1014 00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:22,790 left anymore of your short-term memory 1015 00:48:29,500 --> 00:48:26,000 short-term memory cannot dig into the 1016 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:29,510 other long-term memories where the where 1017 00:48:35,890 --> 00:48:31,490 the event is probably laid down I think 1018 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:35,900 I guess I surmise okay just switching 1019 00:48:42,730 --> 00:48:38,770 gears here for just a minute and that is 1020 00:48:45,730 --> 00:48:42,740 so Travis Walton probably wasn't your 1021 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:45,740 average abductee he claims himself that 1022 00:48:49,980 --> 00:48:47,570 he thinks it was almost more or less 1023 00:48:54,190 --> 00:48:49,990 like a rescue mission once he was apt 1024 00:48:57,790 --> 00:48:54,200 with that beam but I questioned 1025 00:49:00,910 --> 00:48:57,800 Alejandro Rojas asked earlier on and the 1026 00:49:04,900 --> 00:49:00,920 news was what does David Jacobs think of 1027 00:49:06,460 --> 00:49:04,910 the Travis Walton case well Travis is a 1028 00:49:10,900 --> 00:49:06,470 friend of mine and I've known him for 1029 00:49:15,420 --> 00:49:10,910 many years and and he's an extremely 1030 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:15,430 intelligent extremely thoughtful person 1031 00:49:22,990 --> 00:49:21,530 and he's if he is an abductee and I 1032 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:23,000 think he is that means that he 1033 00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:25,010 automatically has had abduction 1034 00:49:29,740 --> 00:49:27,200 experiences since since he was a young 1035 00:49:31,090 --> 00:49:29,750 child and they're probably continuing 1036 00:49:33,630 --> 00:49:31,100 now because that's what happens 1037 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:33,640 basically with all abductees its 1038 00:49:38,140 --> 00:49:36,170 intergenerational you're an abductee 1039 00:49:41,110 --> 00:49:38,150 because your mother or your father was 1040 00:49:43,450 --> 00:49:41,120 an abductee and then you become an 1041 00:49:47,740 --> 00:49:43,460 abductee then if you get married and 1042 00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:47,750 have kids they become app duck T's and 1043 00:49:53,340 --> 00:49:49,520 hang on a second I have to get an animal 1044 00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:53,350 off my lap okay Carrie later later later 1045 00:50:05,620 --> 00:49:56,000 she'll pour into the microphone that's 1046 00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:05,630 the problem so the problem is he's he 1047 00:50:09,940 --> 00:50:08,810 only remembered 20 minutes of a five-day 1048 00:50:15,930 --> 00:50:09,950 event 1049 00:50:18,700 --> 00:50:15,940 hmm and has not wanted to do hypnosis on 1050 00:50:24,010 --> 00:50:18,710 that advant or any other announced that 1051 00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:24,020 he might have had and so and so we 1052 00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:25,609 really don't know what happened to him 1053 00:50:31,690 --> 00:50:29,089 in essence onboard the UFO and I know 1054 00:50:35,319 --> 00:50:31,700 that he's come up he's been trying to to 1055 00:50:37,539 --> 00:50:35,329 make sense of it and he's come up with 1056 00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:37,549 on his own ideas about how they they 1057 00:50:42,940 --> 00:50:39,200 helped him or whatever or whatever it 1058 00:50:47,950 --> 00:50:42,950 was but that's not what other other 1059 00:50:52,359 --> 00:50:47,960 people say and I examined the five-day 1060 00:50:55,900 --> 00:50:52,369 event once with with a woman and known 1061 00:51:02,349 --> 00:50:55,910 as her name is Allison Reid and I have I 1062 00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:02,359 have 24 hours I guess of testimony from 1063 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:04,210 that eight if I've got five-day event 1064 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:07,490 she came I think four eight three hour 1065 00:51:14,380 --> 00:51:12,290 sessions of hypnosis just describing 1066 00:51:16,839 --> 00:51:14,390 what happened to her and that's the way 1067 00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:16,849 it kind of has to be when you're gone 1068 00:51:22,180 --> 00:51:20,480 for five days and so not only would not 1069 00:51:23,950 --> 00:51:22,190 only her but her husband and her child 1070 00:51:26,349 --> 00:51:23,960 as well 1071 00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:26,359 and there were certain aspects of their 1072 00:51:30,339 --> 00:51:29,839 lives at that time where nobody missed 1073 00:51:33,460 --> 00:51:30,349 them 1074 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:33,470 they had just moved to Florida or 1075 00:51:40,839 --> 00:51:36,770 someplace they did not have jobs yet 1076 00:51:43,180 --> 00:51:40,849 they were not set up yet and so and they 1077 00:51:45,539 --> 00:51:43,190 were all taken at that time and for five 1078 00:51:52,530 --> 00:51:45,549 days and nobody knew that they were gone 1079 00:51:55,569 --> 00:51:52,540 so the fact is though that that that 1080 00:51:58,809 --> 00:51:55,579 Travis's case was astounding because it 1081 00:52:02,770 --> 00:51:58,819 was witnessed mm-hmm at least there was 1082 00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:02,780 a witnessing of a UFO flashing a light 1083 00:52:08,740 --> 00:52:06,559 at at Travis and then him falling 1084 00:52:11,530 --> 00:52:08,750 backwards and all that and and then not 1085 00:52:13,539 --> 00:52:11,540 being there when when people you know 1086 00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:13,549 charged off in their truck as worker 1087 00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:14,569 fellow workers and then came back 1088 00:52:20,819 --> 00:52:16,400 looking for him and they never Annie 1089 00:52:23,930 --> 00:52:20,829 wasn't there but they saw a UFO in 1090 00:52:26,490 --> 00:52:23,940 conversation so to speak with 1091 00:52:31,620 --> 00:52:26,500 and that's good enough 1092 00:52:34,829 --> 00:52:31,630 that's a witnessed event so and once 1093 00:52:36,569 --> 00:52:34,839 again Chavis is not a person who lies or 1094 00:52:39,930 --> 00:52:36,579 anything like that he's not he's not a 1095 00:52:42,299 --> 00:52:39,940 charlatan but he has built you know 1096 00:52:46,279 --> 00:52:42,309 these ideas that he thinks makes sense 1097 00:52:48,569 --> 00:52:46,289 to him but maybe perhaps don't don't 1098 00:52:50,279 --> 00:52:48,579 aren't the same as what everybody else 1099 00:52:54,089 --> 00:52:50,289 is saying because they know more about 1100 00:52:57,079 --> 00:52:54,099 their own backgrounds yeah I would think 1101 00:52:59,849 --> 00:52:57,089 that in Travis's case that was a one-off 1102 00:53:02,549 --> 00:52:59,859 situation under the circumstances that 1103 00:53:05,940 --> 00:53:02,559 he wasn't abducted since childhood he I 1104 00:53:07,529 --> 00:53:05,950 mean when I asked him about that he said 1105 00:53:10,319 --> 00:53:07,539 no that was the only time that he was 1106 00:53:12,539 --> 00:53:10,329 aware of are you thinking that he may 1107 00:53:17,370 --> 00:53:12,549 have been abducted and not realize it 1108 00:53:19,140 --> 00:53:17,380 well if that were the case that would be 1109 00:53:22,799 --> 00:53:19,150 the first time we've ever heard of 1110 00:53:27,809 --> 00:53:22,809 anybody being abducted especially for 1111 00:53:30,269 --> 00:53:27,819 five days and and it was the only time 1112 00:53:32,730 --> 00:53:30,279 ever i but you have to remember that 1113 00:53:35,009 --> 00:53:32,740 most abductees and I'm gonna guess here 1114 00:53:37,410 --> 00:53:35,019 maybe 90 to 95 percent of them do not 1115 00:53:40,769 --> 00:53:37,420 know that their abductors this is a 1116 00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:40,779 clandestine phenomenon it is secret and 1117 00:53:44,579 --> 00:53:42,970 the way in which you start secrecy is 1118 00:53:47,130 --> 00:53:44,589 you keep it secret from the person that 1119 00:53:49,740 --> 00:53:47,140 had happened to so most people do not 1120 00:53:53,759 --> 00:53:49,750 know that they're abductees who are 1121 00:53:59,130 --> 00:53:53,769 abductees in other words they they might 1122 00:54:04,920 --> 00:53:59,140 lead unusual lives they see angels they 1123 00:54:06,660 --> 00:54:04,930 see Devils demons whatever they see in 1124 00:54:08,999 --> 00:54:06,670 their bedroom are on their living room 1125 00:54:10,859 --> 00:54:09,009 or whatever they see dead people who 1126 00:54:15,019 --> 00:54:10,869 have come back to say goodbye to them or 1127 00:54:17,339 --> 00:54:15,029 whatever they travel on the astral plane 1128 00:54:18,779 --> 00:54:17,349 one guy was telling me he travels on the 1129 00:54:22,349 --> 00:54:18,789 astral plane the funniest thing was is 1130 00:54:23,759 --> 00:54:22,359 he could see all the leaves and and dirt 1131 00:54:27,180 --> 00:54:23,769 and stuff that had gotten into his 1132 00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:27,190 gutters on top of his roof and I thought 1133 00:54:31,049 --> 00:54:29,170 to myself wow if you're traveling in the 1134 00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:31,059 astral plane yeah that would be an 1135 00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:33,520 interesting memory to have 1136 00:54:47,370 --> 00:54:44,100 so and type-a personality you know so 1137 00:54:49,350 --> 00:54:47,380 the point is though that every single 1138 00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:49,360 abductee I have worked with and I think 1139 00:54:54,780 --> 00:54:52,050 probably everyone that butters work done 1140 00:54:57,450 --> 00:54:54,790 have have had these experiences since 1141 00:55:01,040 --> 00:54:57,460 they were children and will continue 1142 00:55:03,930 --> 00:55:01,050 into old age it stops somewhere in 1143 00:55:07,050 --> 00:55:03,940 innovate we don't see a whole lot of 1144 00:55:10,350 --> 00:55:07,060 people who are 80 years old let's just 1145 00:55:12,690 --> 00:55:10,360 say on board a UFO that is when when 1146 00:55:15,330 --> 00:55:12,700 people are abducted into a larger UFO 1147 00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:15,340 they sit in a room a circular room they 1148 00:55:19,770 --> 00:55:17,200 wear clothes are you moved and they wait 1149 00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:19,780 their turn to be processed for whatever 1150 00:55:26,070 --> 00:55:22,960 they're going to have to be doing and 1151 00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:26,080 I'll ask them well are there you know 1152 00:55:30,030 --> 00:55:28,240 men and women there and they'll say yes 1153 00:55:31,980 --> 00:55:30,040 and I say I chose you see any children 1154 00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:31,990 Oh sometimes yes and most the time 1155 00:55:41,820 --> 00:55:36,160 though and and though sometimes you know 1156 00:55:45,590 --> 00:55:41,830 remember somebody who was abducted or 1157 00:55:50,190 --> 00:55:45,600 whatever but the fact is though that all 1158 00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:50,200 that can easily be forgotten and and as 1159 00:55:56,430 --> 00:55:54,490 soon as they leave you know it's it's 1160 00:55:58,410 --> 00:55:56,440 gone from their memory but at least I 1161 00:56:02,310 --> 00:55:58,420 asked him sometimes do you see anybody 1162 00:56:07,620 --> 00:56:02,320 who's really really old and they almost 1163 00:56:10,980 --> 00:56:07,630 always say no wow so we think it stops 1164 00:56:13,859 --> 00:56:10,990 somewhere in an old age somewhere in an 1165 00:56:16,980 --> 00:56:13,869 old age but we can't be sure what we 1166 00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:16,990 don't really know it's just as baffling 1167 00:56:22,020 --> 00:56:20,050 as the whole rest of it someone wanted 1168 00:56:24,660 --> 00:56:22,030 to know on the message board do you 1169 00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:24,670 share your techniques with others that 1170 00:56:29,660 --> 00:56:27,280 are looking to get into this process yes 1171 00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:29,670 but I put together a packet of materials 1172 00:56:34,410 --> 00:56:32,770 about a hundred years ago that we still 1173 00:56:37,410 --> 00:56:34,420 say that I still send out to people if 1174 00:56:39,530 --> 00:56:37,420 they asked for it but my next book will 1175 00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:39,540 be how to do hypnosis without duct tease 1176 00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:43,510 and I think that the the market for that 1177 00:56:50,990 --> 00:56:46,210 it'll probably be well into the tens 1178 00:56:54,329 --> 00:56:51,000 tens so I will self publish that book 1179 00:56:56,010 --> 00:56:54,339 tens intense big seller that's what 1180 00:56:56,250 --> 00:56:56,020 you're thinking right well you never 1181 00:57:01,380 --> 00:56:56,260 know 1182 00:57:04,589 --> 00:57:01,390 numbers of people that think they've 1183 00:57:06,750 --> 00:57:04,599 been abducted and what is your thought 1184 00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:06,760 Anatomy some people are saying millions 1185 00:57:12,570 --> 00:57:09,730 of people oh yeah 1186 00:57:14,579 --> 00:57:12,580 millions of people is this is a global 1187 00:57:16,859 --> 00:57:14,589 phenomenon this is not an American 1188 00:57:19,290 --> 00:57:16,869 phenomenon we're not special 1189 00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:19,300 so aliens have come here because we are 1190 00:57:25,230 --> 00:57:23,170 Americans that that I but and I have 1191 00:57:33,540 --> 00:57:25,240 worked with people from around the world 1192 00:57:35,220 --> 00:57:33,550 and Oh caller hello yes sorry sorry I 1193 00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:35,230 meant to add you the call I'm gonna have 1194 00:57:42,300 --> 00:57:40,000 to hang up I'm sorry yeah sorry about 1195 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:42,310 that it was I totally pressed the wrong 1196 00:57:46,349 --> 00:57:44,770 button when the caller called alright I 1197 00:57:49,109 --> 00:57:46,359 want to apologize to the listener out 1198 00:57:51,870 --> 00:57:49,119 there listening live I just tried to 1199 00:57:54,359 --> 00:57:51,880 take a call and I click the wrong button 1200 00:57:56,550 --> 00:57:54,369 yeah and everything went to heck so 1201 00:57:58,460 --> 00:57:56,560 caller please try to call back I will 1202 00:58:01,079 --> 00:57:58,470 add you to the call this time instead of 1203 00:58:04,530 --> 00:58:01,089 taking your call exclusively which is 1204 00:58:06,780 --> 00:58:04,540 the mistake I made so David I'm sorry to 1205 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:06,790 have interrupted you and how do you go 1206 00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:10,930 to dead air and I can't remember exactly 1207 00:58:14,730 --> 00:58:12,490 what you were talking about but there's 1208 00:58:20,670 --> 00:58:14,740 certainly some questions up on the 1209 00:58:22,859 --> 00:58:20,680 message board it happened much too much 1210 00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:22,869 in the past for me to even possibly 1211 00:58:30,930 --> 00:58:28,240 remember okay and I can't scroll up to 1212 00:58:34,890 --> 00:58:30,940 any of the questions so one of the 1213 00:58:38,970 --> 00:58:34,900 things you mentioned that it happens 1214 00:58:42,660 --> 00:58:38,980 generational it happens when someone is 1215 00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:42,670 a young infant and it goes on to their 1216 00:58:47,730 --> 00:58:45,609 family and on and on so I believe that 1217 00:58:50,930 --> 00:58:47,740 we were talking about how many people 1218 00:58:53,609 --> 00:58:50,940 how many numbers right right well and 1219 00:58:56,849 --> 00:58:53,619 the point here is that this is not an 1220 00:58:59,080 --> 00:58:56,859 American phenomenon it is it is there's 1221 00:59:01,870 --> 00:58:59,090 there's nothing special about us 1222 00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:01,880 yeah it goes into its it's in Latin 1223 00:59:06,850 --> 00:59:04,850 America it's in Europe it's in Asia it's 1224 00:59:09,970 --> 00:59:06,860 in the Far East and seminaries it's in 1225 00:59:13,270 --> 00:59:09,980 the Mideast it's uh it's everywhere this 1226 00:59:15,820 --> 00:59:13,280 is a global program a global phenomenon 1227 00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:15,830 just like you know it's it's the it is 1228 00:59:21,820 --> 00:59:17,690 the UFO phenomenon as far as I'm 1229 00:59:24,850 --> 00:59:21,830 concerned and so there was a poll taken 1230 00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:24,860 in the 1991 and I've been other polls to 1231 00:59:28,690 --> 00:59:26,960 our poll showed that about two percent 1232 00:59:31,060 --> 00:59:28,700 of the American public were abductees 1233 00:59:33,730 --> 00:59:31,070 which is about six six million people 1234 00:59:36,310 --> 00:59:33,740 that was extremely conservative it's 1235 00:59:41,410 --> 00:59:36,320 probably closer to maybe five percents 1236 00:59:45,340 --> 00:59:41,420 maybe more but it is in spite of though 1237 00:59:47,830 --> 00:59:45,350 all those polls both but Hopkins and I 1238 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:47,840 received thousands and thousands of 1239 00:59:51,790 --> 00:59:49,490 letters from abductees around the 1240 00:59:53,590 --> 00:59:51,800 country around the world and they still 1241 00:59:57,460 --> 00:59:53,600 keep coming now in the form of email of 1242 01:00:00,580 --> 00:59:57,470 course it's it's a global phenomenon 1243 01:00:03,460 --> 01:00:00,590 that you have to remember three things 1244 01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:03,470 about this that are that are salient to 1245 01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:07,810 to its existence it is global it's 1246 01:00:12,730 --> 01:00:10,490 intergenerational and it's clandestine 1247 01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:12,740 it's secret and the reason it's secret 1248 01:00:19,390 --> 01:00:15,410 is because they don't want us to know 1249 01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:19,400 what they're doing obviously if they did 1250 01:00:25,450 --> 01:00:23,090 it wouldn't be secret so but it it is 1251 01:00:29,170 --> 01:00:25,460 not something that that I look upon with 1252 01:00:31,630 --> 01:00:29,180 joy I must say this is and this is not 1253 01:00:34,180 --> 01:00:31,640 only that but this is they're not 1254 01:00:35,950 --> 01:00:34,190 testing us they're not examining us 1255 01:00:39,490 --> 01:00:35,960 they're not trying to find out what 1256 01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:39,500 makes us tick this is a program with a 1257 01:00:43,900 --> 01:00:41,570 beginning a middle and an end and it's 1258 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:43,910 goal-directed they are here for a reason 1259 01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:46,010 they are doing things for a reason 1260 01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:49,730 you're seeing change over time and that 1261 01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:52,370 and and the reason is coming I think 1262 01:00:55,540 --> 01:00:53,570 which I can talk about a little bit 1263 01:00:57,190 --> 01:00:55,550 later if you wish yeah we can talk about 1264 01:01:00,820 --> 01:00:57,200 that in the second hour we're just about 1265 01:01:03,370 --> 01:01:00,830 ready to take a break I'm gonna try to 1266 01:01:05,370 --> 01:01:03,380 take this call okay hang in there 1267 01:01:10,210 --> 01:01:05,380 everyone hopefully this will work 1268 01:01:12,970 --> 01:01:10,220 caller are you there hey there Martin is 1269 01:01:15,820 --> 01:01:12,980 Justin from Canada hey Justin how 1270 01:01:18,130 --> 01:01:15,830 you how are you are we live right now we 1271 01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:18,140 are in go ahead and pose a question to 1272 01:01:22,810 --> 01:01:19,609 dr. chase 1273 01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:22,820 thank you hi dr. Jacobs thanks for 1274 01:01:29,470 --> 01:01:24,770 listening how are you good 1275 01:01:31,210 --> 01:01:29,480 Mike my question goes in some territory 1276 01:01:34,330 --> 01:01:31,220 that I think that should be addressed 1277 01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:34,340 first of all I like to say I like Martin 1278 01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:36,770 said and and we sentiment is in the chat 1279 01:01:41,250 --> 01:01:38,090 Reggie that we're very sorry about the 1280 01:01:43,690 --> 01:01:41,260 passing of your wife the terrible loss 1281 01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:43,700 secondly I'd like to say that I have 1282 01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:46,250 read the threat I think your your 1283 01:01:52,540 --> 01:01:50,330 insight it's interesting and I think 1284 01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:52,550 it's a question that should be asked in 1285 01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:54,650 a situation where we don't exactly know 1286 01:01:59,320 --> 01:01:57,050 what the nature of these quote-unquote 1287 01:02:01,660 --> 01:01:59,330 beings are that's you know really what 1288 01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:01,670 they are so I want to thank you for all 1289 01:02:05,290 --> 01:02:03,680 your work but the question I have is 1290 01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:05,300 basically the elephant in the room and I 1291 01:02:09,930 --> 01:02:07,609 think that publicly it needs to be 1292 01:02:12,220 --> 01:02:09,940 addressed you know to a wider audience 1293 01:02:14,010 --> 01:02:12,230 especially in the show this is a really 1294 01:02:19,270 --> 01:02:14,020 great show with a lot of great integrity 1295 01:02:22,030 --> 01:02:19,280 and that's the story sort of Emma woods 1296 01:02:23,070 --> 01:02:22,040 and her accusations with you and I think 1297 01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:23,080 there's a lot of people that sort of 1298 01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:25,730 would like you to kind of clear the air 1299 01:02:29,530 --> 01:02:27,890 and give us your perspective you know 1300 01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:29,540 especially those who have been with you 1301 01:02:35,260 --> 01:02:32,090 since the beginning publications and who 1302 01:02:39,130 --> 01:02:35,270 would like to possibly invest in future 1303 01:02:42,550 --> 01:02:39,140 publication yeah I don't usually like 1304 01:02:48,990 --> 01:02:42,560 talking about her yet my stomach churns 1305 01:02:52,270 --> 01:02:49,000 too much I must say she is a woman who I 1306 01:02:55,420 --> 01:02:52,280 worked with for several years a couple 1307 01:02:59,500 --> 01:02:55,430 of years who lives in another country 1308 01:03:07,030 --> 01:02:59,510 and who over the course of time 1309 01:03:09,820 --> 01:03:07,040 basically decompensated and I we sort of 1310 01:03:12,460 --> 01:03:09,830 stopped working together not on the best 1311 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:12,470 of terms and as soon as that happened 1312 01:03:18,609 --> 01:03:15,770 she began an all-out assault on me 1313 01:03:21,130 --> 01:03:18,619 saying things that such as I was a 1314 01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:21,140 sexual perverts because I'd asked for 1315 01:03:27,850 --> 01:03:22,250 her unwashed 1316 01:03:30,490 --> 01:03:27,860 underpants which and I never really 1317 01:03:32,260 --> 01:03:30,500 answered her it's been eight years she's 1318 01:03:36,210 --> 01:03:32,270 been stuck as I were stalking me 1319 01:03:40,510 --> 01:03:36,220 including just a couple of days ago and 1320 01:03:45,790 --> 01:03:40,520 and I'm building a website now to answer 1321 01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:45,800 every single sort of a charge that she 1322 01:03:49,750 --> 01:03:48,050 has leveled against me 1323 01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:49,760 she's complained to Temple University 1324 01:03:53,770 --> 01:03:51,920 she complained to the Department of 1325 01:04:01,360 --> 01:03:53,780 Health and Human Services in Washington 1326 01:04:05,470 --> 01:04:01,370 DC and macum her life's work and this is 1327 01:04:07,420 --> 01:04:05,480 all she does from what I can tell the 1328 01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:07,430 underpants thing actually was it was 1329 01:04:11,740 --> 01:04:09,050 something that was interesting we're 1330 01:04:14,380 --> 01:04:11,750 looking for deep excuse me for DNA and 1331 01:04:16,630 --> 01:04:14,390 she wrote me a letter one saying that 1332 01:04:19,030 --> 01:04:16,640 she thought she might have had sexual 1333 01:04:22,990 --> 01:04:19,040 contact with a hybrid in her house there 1334 01:04:24,550 --> 01:04:23,000 was a lead-up to this and and she had a 1335 01:04:26,860 --> 01:04:24,560 q-tip and she was gonna send it to me 1336 01:04:30,130 --> 01:04:26,870 and I said great fine you know we need 1337 01:04:32,410 --> 01:04:30,140 DNA and that would be wonderful and then 1338 01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:32,420 she she wrote me another email later 1339 01:04:35,770 --> 01:04:34,730 saying that she lost it or something I 1340 01:04:37,570 --> 01:04:35,780 guess now I'm not getting his gigs 1341 01:04:39,700 --> 01:04:37,580 acting a hundred percent correct here 1342 01:04:40,990 --> 01:04:39,710 and then another month later she wrote 1343 01:04:42,700 --> 01:04:41,000 me another email saying that it happened 1344 01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:42,710 again she's got a q-tip she's going to 1345 01:04:48,490 --> 01:04:46,130 send it to me and she threw it away or 1346 01:04:50,230 --> 01:04:48,500 something and then then a couple months 1347 01:04:51,820 --> 01:04:50,240 later she writes to me and she says she 1348 01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:51,830 said that there was a discharge in our 1349 01:04:59,110 --> 01:04:57,530 underwear and and and she said I said 1350 01:05:01,090 --> 01:04:59,120 well you know well this is important 1351 01:05:05,950 --> 01:05:01,100 than all the rest that stuff no cuts DNA 1352 01:05:07,030 --> 01:05:05,960 and she said well she washed I said even 1353 01:05:09,250 --> 01:05:07,040 though it happened yesterday she said 1354 01:05:10,750 --> 01:05:09,260 yes I said oh okay 1355 01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:10,760 you said I don't know there month goes 1356 01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:14,290 by and then she writes me again she says 1357 01:05:18,250 --> 01:05:16,610 that it happened again and she said I 1358 01:05:20,170 --> 01:05:18,260 got this discharged on Earth past and 1359 01:05:22,150 --> 01:05:20,180 basically I said listen 1360 01:05:23,770 --> 01:05:22,160 am I just a stick in an envelope and 1361 01:05:24,130 --> 01:05:23,780 don't even think about I just sent it to 1362 01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:24,140 me 1363 01:05:36,060 --> 01:05:31,330 and this is 1364 01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:36,070 this is the soap insane if you know if 1365 01:05:42,390 --> 01:05:40,050 you knew me is so crazy so nutty that 1366 01:05:44,730 --> 01:05:42,400 but I never ever answered this is the 1367 01:05:46,020 --> 01:05:44,740 first time I've ever talked about that 1368 01:05:47,550 --> 01:05:46,030 that particular incident she's got a 1369 01:05:49,650 --> 01:05:47,560 whole bunch of other things level 1370 01:05:53,790 --> 01:05:49,660 charges leveled against me now I never 1371 01:05:56,190 --> 01:05:53,800 met her she is the person who I dealt 1372 01:05:58,560 --> 01:05:56,200 with on the phone this was before Skype 1373 01:06:00,540 --> 01:05:58,570 actually and not really before Skype but 1374 01:06:05,090 --> 01:06:00,550 butter but Skype is not was not known 1375 01:06:11,100 --> 01:06:05,100 yet and she also did not have a a camera 1376 01:06:13,470 --> 01:06:11,110 for her or her desktop but so I've never 1377 01:06:14,970 --> 01:06:13,480 met her face to face and a lot of 1378 01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:14,980 psychiatrists have said well Ben you 1379 01:06:17,550 --> 01:06:16,210 should have met her face to face and you 1380 01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:17,560 might have learned something then and 1381 01:06:20,580 --> 01:06:19,330 the answer is I don't know I don't know 1382 01:06:26,130 --> 01:06:20,590 whether that would have been true or not 1383 01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:26,140 but she has done my nemesis and and she 1384 01:06:31,110 --> 01:06:28,570 as I said it's been eight years and 1385 01:06:33,660 --> 01:06:31,120 she's she this is all she lives for 1386 01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:33,670 these days she could have stopped at any 1387 01:06:37,170 --> 01:06:35,530 time she wanted to if she thought that I 1388 01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:37,180 there was something wrong with me or 1389 01:06:46,290 --> 01:06:43,210 whatever and the problem is is that she 1390 01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:46,300 has all these charges against me but 1391 01:06:52,230 --> 01:06:49,690 they're all like as I just explained way 1392 01:06:54,810 --> 01:06:52,240 out of context so that it does sound 1393 01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:54,820 like I'm some sort of lunatic who's 1394 01:07:00,780 --> 01:06:56,890 preying on young women or something like 1395 01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:00,790 that and let me just say that that is 1396 01:07:10,590 --> 01:07:07,810 not the case Emma what's the real story 1397 01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:10,600 is the name of the the website it's in 1398 01:07:14,460 --> 01:07:12,250 the process of being built even though 1399 01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:14,470 it's live now but it will change 1400 01:07:20,010 --> 01:07:16,930 drastically I'm redoing the front and 1401 01:07:22,340 --> 01:07:20,020 and as a person helping me do this 1402 01:07:24,300 --> 01:07:22,350 because I'm not all that tech-savvy and 1403 01:07:29,130 --> 01:07:24,310 there's a beginning which will be 1404 01:07:31,020 --> 01:07:29,140 changed I hope by tomorrow and and I'll 1405 01:07:32,340 --> 01:07:31,030 go into every every charge that she's 1406 01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:32,350 leveled against me and show her exactly 1407 01:07:36,090 --> 01:07:34,090 and show people exactly what happened 1408 01:07:40,140 --> 01:07:36,100 and you will when people really I have 1409 01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:40,150 to say they will understand I hope okay 1410 01:07:44,670 --> 01:07:43,090 yeah I actually have been I've seen 1411 01:07:46,020 --> 01:07:44,680 first hand 1412 01:07:47,309 --> 01:07:46,030 you know the effects of cyberattacks 1413 01:07:49,140 --> 01:07:47,319 especially in this day and age so I 1414 01:07:51,089 --> 01:07:49,150 really appreciate you actually you know 1415 01:07:53,010 --> 01:07:51,099 taking the time to talk about that to 1416 01:07:55,140 --> 01:07:53,020 the audience because I don't think most 1417 01:07:56,910 --> 01:07:55,150 people understand how hard that can be 1418 01:07:58,349 --> 01:07:56,920 especially for you who is a public 1419 01:08:00,240 --> 01:07:58,359 figure and I think it's important for 1420 01:08:02,099 --> 01:08:00,250 people to know that there is a resource 1421 01:08:04,260 --> 01:08:02,109 maybe that they can see and read the 1422 01:08:07,609 --> 01:08:04,270 backstory on so thanks for so maybe 1423 01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:09,829 I've talked with about a dozen 1424 01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:11,650 psychiatrists psychologists and 1425 01:08:16,890 --> 01:08:14,290 therapists about the situation and they 1426 01:08:19,070 --> 01:08:16,900 all have one answer don't ever ever ever 1427 01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:19,080 respond to her ever ever ever ever 1428 01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:21,250 because as she eventually she'll just 1429 01:08:28,650 --> 01:08:24,400 lose interest and go on and go on to 1430 01:08:34,740 --> 01:08:28,660 somebody else but and that was very good 1431 01:08:36,300 --> 01:08:34,750 advice pre-internet now it's a whole 1432 01:08:39,329 --> 01:08:36,310 different story I've stuck with that 1433 01:08:43,169 --> 01:08:39,339 until I know and I I've been a punching 1434 01:08:47,220 --> 01:08:43,179 bag for her for so long as I said eight 1435 01:08:49,620 --> 01:08:47,230 years is a long time I'm 73 now so I've 1436 01:08:52,769 --> 01:08:49,630 gotta I just absolutely have to answer 1437 01:08:54,870 --> 01:08:52,779 and even though they're still telling me 1438 01:08:56,370 --> 01:08:54,880 not to do it but I'm doing it anyway and 1439 01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:56,380 people can make up their own mind Stan 1440 01:09:01,680 --> 01:08:59,440 yeah okay Justin thanks very much for 1441 01:09:03,780 --> 01:09:01,690 the call hey thanks guys goodnight 1442 01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:03,790 goodnight all right 1443 01:09:07,650 --> 01:09:06,250 so David hang in there hang in there 1444 01:09:30,599 --> 01:09:07,660 live listeners we're going to be right 1445 01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:33,309 all right we're back live with David 1446 01:09:37,660 --> 01:09:33,890 Jacobs 1447 01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:37,670 and I do appreciate the calls a lot of 1448 01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:39,890 people have been trying to call and all 1449 01:09:45,099 --> 01:09:41,810 I can tell you is keep trying and if I 1450 01:09:46,809 --> 01:09:45,109 can answer the phone and bring you on 1451 01:09:48,910 --> 01:09:46,819 all you have to do is introduce yourself 1452 01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:48,920 with your first name and we're good to 1453 01:09:59,410 --> 01:09:50,930 go so the number for anyone that does 1454 01:10:02,890 --> 01:09:59,420 want to call is 603 9 6 7 403 oh okay so 1455 01:10:05,110 --> 01:10:02,900 that was that was interesting and I 1456 01:10:07,450 --> 01:10:05,120 understand when something's on the 1457 01:10:11,050 --> 01:10:07,460 internet it stays around to you know 1458 01:10:13,630 --> 01:10:11,060 whatever information it is you know I've 1459 01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:13,640 had experience with that like up a house 1460 01:10:18,820 --> 01:10:16,370 that I bought one time real inexpensive 1461 01:10:21,130 --> 01:10:18,830 I didn't want everybody to know but you 1462 01:10:23,500 --> 01:10:21,140 still can see what I paid for you know 1463 01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:23,510 things just don't go away yeah exactly 1464 01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:27,410 right and and so if she's gonna keep 1465 01:10:33,910 --> 01:10:31,850 doing this and if and I just I just I 1466 01:10:37,570 --> 01:10:33,920 just have to respond I'm sick and tired 1467 01:10:40,530 --> 01:10:37,580 of it I mean eight years this is is up 1468 01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:40,540 cyber cyber stalking is is really a lot 1469 01:10:44,950 --> 01:10:42,770 to me 1470 01:10:48,220 --> 01:10:44,960 a question up on the message board and 1471 01:10:51,180 --> 01:10:48,230 it's it's come up a lot in abductees and 1472 01:10:53,140 --> 01:10:51,190 also Nick Redfern spoke about it and 1473 01:10:55,060 --> 01:10:53,150 comparing your interviews with the 1474 01:10:58,300 --> 01:10:55,070 abductees have you noticed any 1475 01:10:59,470 --> 01:10:58,310 commonalities between various abductees 1476 01:11:03,040 --> 01:10:59,480 ie 1477 01:11:04,990 --> 01:11:03,050 Rh negative blood I asked 10 abductees 1478 01:11:07,630 --> 01:11:05,000 that they had Rh negative blood none of 1479 01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:07,640 them did now here's the problem with Rh 1480 01:11:12,250 --> 01:11:10,370 negative blood people don't get married 1481 01:11:17,050 --> 01:11:12,260 to other people because of their blood 1482 01:11:19,180 --> 01:11:17,060 type and therefore if this is a 1483 01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:19,190 phenomenon that is intergenerational you 1484 01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:20,570 get married to somebody who you love 1485 01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:22,010 period and you might find out their 1486 01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:23,930 blood type later on you might not who 1487 01:11:35,220 --> 01:11:31,280 knows and so if in fact Rh negative was 1488 01:11:37,450 --> 01:11:35,230 was a significant aspect of the 1489 01:11:39,820 --> 01:11:37,460 abduction phenomenon what we would see 1490 01:11:41,419 --> 01:11:39,830 would be a rise in the number of people 1491 01:11:44,030 --> 01:11:41,429 with Rh negative blood 1492 01:11:47,410 --> 01:11:44,040 because they would be the ones chosen to 1493 01:11:49,820 --> 01:11:47,420 be abductors and and since it's 1494 01:11:51,709 --> 01:11:49,830 intergenerational they would have to do 1495 01:11:54,740 --> 01:11:51,719 it have to do some sort of messing 1496 01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:54,750 around I'm not sure but to get that but 1497 01:12:00,350 --> 01:11:56,250 we don't see anything like that as far 1498 01:12:03,740 --> 01:12:00,360 as I know and like I said it's III I 1499 01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:03,750 think this is it sounds interesting but 1500 01:12:09,380 --> 01:12:05,850 it actually isn't this is a global 1501 01:12:12,500 --> 01:12:09,390 phenomenon with millions of people now 1502 01:12:16,910 --> 01:12:12,510 rh-negative is not all that common 1503 01:12:18,860 --> 01:12:16,920 you know it's unusual so so I don't 1504 01:12:22,669 --> 01:12:18,870 place any stock in it at all 1505 01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:22,679 I had I had class Vaughn of Sweden he 1506 01:12:29,090 --> 01:12:25,290 used to be the director of the UFO 1507 01:12:31,340 --> 01:12:29,100 Association over there they take this 1508 01:12:34,689 --> 01:12:31,350 very seriously over there and there's 1509 01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:34,699 not any ridicule to speak of or anything 1510 01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:38,370 interesting guy and I I always ask when 1511 01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:40,050 I talk to people in different countries 1512 01:12:46,729 --> 01:12:44,090 about the you know abduction incidents 1513 01:12:49,580 --> 01:12:46,739 in their country and he said that he 1514 01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:49,590 only hears about one a year there do you 1515 01:12:55,250 --> 01:12:52,650 think that it's going back to what you 1516 01:13:00,410 --> 01:12:55,260 said earlier that people are having the 1517 01:13:04,100 --> 01:13:00,420 experience but not sure what it is yes I 1518 01:13:06,500 --> 01:13:04,110 think that's what it is and I've got a 1519 01:13:08,419 --> 01:13:06,510 bunch of people from from Scandinavia 1520 01:13:09,919 --> 01:13:08,429 who have written me filled out my 1521 01:13:14,410 --> 01:13:09,929 questionnaire on my website and all the 1522 01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:14,420 rest of that stuff and O in Siddhant ly 1523 01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:17,130 well remind me to tell you something 1524 01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:20,130 about a discovery that I made this very 1525 01:13:32,149 --> 01:13:28,050 day we have people we have probably a 1526 01:13:33,860 --> 01:13:32,159 greater background in UFOs and 1527 01:13:39,229 --> 01:13:33,870 abductions than any other country 1528 01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:39,239 because we had national studies of the 1529 01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:42,000 phenomenon of UFOs through the Air Force 1530 01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:44,370 and through other organizations and we 1531 01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:46,050 still have national organizations and 1532 01:13:55,490 --> 01:13:50,850 all the rest of that and and we also 1533 01:13:58,520 --> 01:13:55,500 sort of first to uncover the abduction 1534 01:13:59,930 --> 01:13:58,530 phenomenon even though the very first 1535 01:14:00,710 --> 01:13:59,940 case we ever learned about it took place 1536 01:14:03,260 --> 01:14:00,720 in Brazil 1537 01:14:08,510 --> 01:14:03,270 the Antonio Villas Boas case in 1957 in 1538 01:14:11,450 --> 01:14:08,520 Brazil but but but we kept at it and so 1539 01:14:13,430 --> 01:14:11,460 the Americans so people know about the 1540 01:14:16,150 --> 01:14:13,440 abduction phenomenon here it's all over 1541 01:14:21,020 --> 01:14:16,160 television that we at least there was 1542 01:14:24,260 --> 01:14:21,030 for a while and and I don't know whether 1543 01:14:29,060 --> 01:14:24,270 that is is the case in in Sweden or 1544 01:14:33,020 --> 01:14:29,070 Norway or whatever let's go back to the 1545 01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:33,030 pop culture question you asked great you 1546 01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:35,730 know well it's yeah it's it's it becomes 1547 01:14:42,110 --> 01:14:39,840 part of popular culture and people you 1548 01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:42,120 know watch it on television they think 1549 01:14:48,140 --> 01:14:44,130 that oh my god I've watched this now I'm 1550 01:14:49,820 --> 01:14:48,150 polluted and if I come to to do research 1551 01:14:52,010 --> 01:14:49,830 in it I'm just gonna say what I saw on 1552 01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:52,020 television people are you know are aware 1553 01:14:58,190 --> 01:14:53,970 of that when when when they go to upper 1554 01:14:59,780 --> 01:14:58,200 may come to me anyway but but my guess 1555 01:15:01,870 --> 01:14:59,790 is is that Sweden is loaded with 1556 01:15:08,570 --> 01:15:01,880 abductees just like every other country 1557 01:15:11,030 --> 01:15:08,580 and and you know Sweden made its mark 1558 01:15:15,890 --> 01:15:11,040 with the ghost rockets in 1946 right 1559 01:15:18,350 --> 01:15:15,900 would for probably UFOs this is a the 1560 01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:18,360 abduction phenomenon is the UFO 1561 01:15:24,050 --> 01:15:21,930 phenomenon in France they say oh there's 1562 01:15:26,750 --> 01:15:24,060 hardly any abductees in France but 1563 01:15:29,090 --> 01:15:26,760 there's very little places for people to 1564 01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:29,100 understand what how what the symptoms of 1565 01:15:35,570 --> 01:15:32,730 being abducted are and there's very 1566 01:15:38,570 --> 01:15:35,580 little places to go to to investigate it 1567 01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:38,580 in France therefore there's nobody in 1568 01:15:43,790 --> 01:15:41,730 being abducted in France but I've got I 1569 01:15:47,390 --> 01:15:43,800 don't have that many but I have about 25 1570 01:15:50,860 --> 01:15:47,400 or 27 emails from people who live in 1571 01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:50,870 France who are abductees obviously and 1572 01:15:59,450 --> 01:15:55,730 so you you know it's it's everywhere and 1573 01:16:02,450 --> 01:15:59,460 the the reverse of that is no matter 1574 01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:02,460 where I go this includes Brazil and 1575 01:16:08,210 --> 01:16:04,320 Argentina 1576 01:16:09,260 --> 01:16:08,220 and in places in Europe and everywhere 1577 01:16:12,890 --> 01:16:09,270 through the United States no matter 1578 01:16:15,740 --> 01:16:12,900 where I go people rush up to me they 1579 01:16:19,180 --> 01:16:15,750 grab me by the lapels they put their 1580 01:16:21,830 --> 01:16:19,190 nose in my face and they say you know I 1581 01:16:25,250 --> 01:16:21,840 come from a little village in Oklahoma 1582 01:16:28,300 --> 01:16:25,260 and it's a hotbed of UFO activity a 1583 01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:28,310 hotbed of UFO activity 1584 01:16:33,730 --> 01:16:30,690 everybody says that to me no matter 1585 01:16:36,050 --> 01:16:33,740 where they're from around the world and 1586 01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:36,060 you know that that hotbed of UFO 1587 01:16:42,620 --> 01:16:39,330 activity is because there's a lot of 1588 01:16:45,290 --> 01:16:42,630 abductees there what happens is I got 1589 01:16:48,050 --> 01:16:45,300 excuse me how to remove a cat again who 1590 01:16:51,110 --> 01:16:48,060 wants me on my lap but it's not good 1591 01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:51,120 right now Kerry thank you 1592 01:16:58,580 --> 01:16:55,170 so it's what happens in small towns or 1593 01:17:00,020 --> 01:16:58,590 small villages is that a person a family 1594 01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:00,030 might be abductees there might be 1595 01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:02,010 several families for abductees you know 1596 01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:04,650 like 50 years ago or 80 years ago or 1597 01:17:10,190 --> 01:17:07,050 whatever and they marry people in the 1598 01:17:12,770 --> 01:17:10,200 town and then they he'll have kids and 1599 01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:12,780 they marry people in the town and so 1600 01:17:17,060 --> 01:17:14,640 what you get is is is a higher 1601 01:17:19,340 --> 01:17:17,070 concentration of abductees in small 1602 01:17:22,460 --> 01:17:19,350 towns than you do in big cities 1603 01:17:24,290 --> 01:17:22,470 oftentimes because there's just that's 1604 01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:24,300 what you know they meet people and they 1605 01:17:27,770 --> 01:17:25,890 grow up with and then they get married 1606 01:17:29,660 --> 01:17:27,780 and all that and all their kids are 1607 01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:29,670 abductees and therefore it becomes a 1608 01:17:37,730 --> 01:17:33,360 hotbed of UFO activity you know I want 1609 01:17:41,180 --> 01:17:37,740 to ask you the blanket question and that 1610 01:17:44,440 --> 01:17:41,190 is why but before I do that before you 1611 01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:44,450 answer that I should say one of the 1612 01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:47,760 theories or you heard someone people 1613 01:17:54,860 --> 01:17:53,010 talk about was back in the 40s there was 1614 01:17:58,850 --> 01:17:54,870 some type of deal made with the 1615 01:18:01,850 --> 01:17:58,860 government that trade tech for abducting 1616 01:18:03,530 --> 01:18:01,860 for information or whatever and I just 1617 01:18:11,530 --> 01:18:03,540 wanted to hear what your thoughts were 1618 01:18:18,269 --> 01:18:13,739 non truthful 1619 01:18:19,619 --> 01:18:18,279 let's just say yeah I figured so but I 1620 01:18:24,749 --> 01:18:19,629 wanted to hear what you had to say they 1621 01:18:26,759 --> 01:18:24,759 don't need no stinkin contract they can 1622 01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:26,769 do whatever they please they can do 1623 01:18:31,169 --> 01:18:28,449 whatever they want the difference 1624 01:18:34,109 --> 01:18:31,179 between aliens and us and this is aliens 1625 01:18:35,789 --> 01:18:34,119 of all kinds including hybrids including 1626 01:18:38,269 --> 01:18:35,799 what I call hubris who are the ones who 1627 01:18:41,369 --> 01:18:38,279 are walking among us on living here 1628 01:18:44,429 --> 01:18:41,379 there's there the difference is that 1629 01:18:46,859 --> 01:18:44,439 they can control us neurologically and 1630 01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:46,869 from a distance and we cannot control 1631 01:18:54,599 --> 01:18:51,489 them that is not just a difference it's 1632 01:18:56,419 --> 01:18:54,609 a crushing difference it makes us into a 1633 01:19:02,149 --> 01:18:56,429 second-class species 1634 01:19:04,669 --> 01:19:02,159 it makes us expendable it makes us into 1635 01:19:07,709 --> 01:19:04,679 like you know I like people have 1636 01:19:09,839 --> 01:19:07,719 unbelievably intelligent dogs or 1637 01:19:12,809 --> 01:19:09,849 something like that not quite like that 1638 01:19:18,059 --> 01:19:12,819 but it we are at a lesser we have a 1639 01:19:24,149 --> 01:19:18,069 lesser ability to to use our own brains 1640 01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:24,159 than they do and so I just don't like 1641 01:19:27,179 --> 01:19:25,449 that and therefore they don't need a 1642 01:19:31,889 --> 01:19:27,189 contract they do whatever they want to 1643 01:19:35,699 --> 01:19:31,899 do this is an extremely evolved 1644 01:19:38,429 --> 01:19:35,709 technological society any technology 1645 01:19:41,389 --> 01:19:38,439 that you're going to find that is from 1646 01:19:46,259 --> 01:19:41,399 outer space automatically and absolutely 1647 01:19:48,839 --> 01:19:46,269 has to be extremely advanced extremely 1648 01:19:51,689 --> 01:19:48,849 advanced not just a little advanced but 1649 01:19:53,549 --> 01:19:51,699 really advanced and the reason is 1650 01:19:58,169 --> 01:19:53,559 because our technology which is how we 1651 01:20:00,179 --> 01:19:58,179 measure things is brand-new it's only a 1652 01:20:02,249 --> 01:20:00,189 couple of hundred years and if you 1653 01:20:04,589 --> 01:20:02,259 really want to stretch matters you could 1654 01:20:06,899 --> 01:20:04,599 say it's ten thousand years old our 1655 01:20:10,529 --> 01:20:06,909 technology why ten thousand years ago 1656 01:20:13,919 --> 01:20:10,539 somebody rolled a flat stone and called 1657 01:20:20,099 --> 01:20:13,929 it a wheel so that would be technology 1658 01:20:22,619 --> 01:20:20,109 of some sort ten thousand years is not 1659 01:20:25,319 --> 01:20:22,629 even the quarter of a nanosecond of a 1660 01:20:27,260 --> 01:20:25,329 blink of an eye in geologic or cosmic 1661 01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:27,270 time right 1662 01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:29,970 somebody has any kind of technology at 1663 01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:33,570 all so out there it's going to be 1664 01:20:40,190 --> 01:20:36,090 extremely advanced compared to our ours 1665 01:20:44,210 --> 01:20:40,200 because ours is brand-new mm-hmm now 1666 01:20:48,410 --> 01:20:44,220 there's a flaw in this argument the flaw 1667 01:20:51,140 --> 01:20:48,420 is there might be so many civilizations 1668 01:20:53,420 --> 01:20:51,150 with technology out there that by the 1669 01:20:56,510 --> 01:20:53,430 law of averages a few of them might be 1670 01:20:57,860 --> 01:20:56,520 right where we are just beginning that's 1671 01:21:01,820 --> 01:20:57,870 that's that's the flaw in the argument 1672 01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:01,830 but generally speaking it's going to be 1673 01:21:08,110 --> 01:21:03,930 very very advanced so what you see here 1674 01:21:10,490 --> 01:21:08,120 is is the concept of invisibility the 1675 01:21:12,590 --> 01:21:10,500 concept of taking people right out on 1676 01:21:16,730 --> 01:21:12,600 Windows clothes when those right out of 1677 01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:16,740 walls up through through the ceiling and 1678 01:21:21,260 --> 01:21:19,050 into somebody else's apartment and up 1679 01:21:24,410 --> 01:21:21,270 through the ceiling and then into the 1680 01:21:26,450 --> 01:21:24,420 air without being seen and passing 1681 01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:26,460 through matter you see stuff like that 1682 01:21:31,100 --> 01:21:28,890 and it's just you have the thing about 1683 01:21:33,710 --> 01:21:31,110 it as this is future technology this is 1684 01:21:34,510 --> 01:21:33,720 what technology oh look like sometime in 1685 01:21:37,100 --> 01:21:34,520 the future 1686 01:21:39,860 --> 01:21:37,110 David just a few minutes ago you said 1687 01:21:44,450 --> 01:21:39,870 that you had a discovery today do you 1688 01:21:47,870 --> 01:21:44,460 want to talk about that yes if anybody 1689 01:21:50,450 --> 01:21:47,880 buys my book but the website that they 1690 01:21:52,850 --> 01:21:50,460 put down that is my website is not the 1691 01:21:55,190 --> 01:21:52,860 website that I have at the back end of 1692 01:22:01,790 --> 01:21:55,200 my little biography it at the back of 1693 01:22:06,820 --> 01:22:01,800 the book does it go to Emma 1694 01:22:10,700 --> 01:22:06,830 Woods thank God it's it's they put down 1695 01:22:14,540 --> 01:22:10,710 UFO abductions with an Escom instead of 1696 01:22:17,480 --> 01:22:14,550 UFO abduction comm and Joe Montalvo used 1697 01:22:19,130 --> 01:22:17,490 to own UFO abductions calm and I think 1698 01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:19,140 that he's abandoned Atari selling it or 1699 01:22:25,100 --> 01:22:20,970 something like that as I looked at it 1700 01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:25,110 after I saw this error and and it's for 1701 01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:26,970 sale oh you can do a redirect 1702 01:22:30,380 --> 01:22:29,250 either that or every book signing you 1703 01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:30,390 can change in the back of the book 1704 01:22:36,510 --> 01:22:33,810 that's what I'm going to have to do but 1705 01:22:37,890 --> 01:22:36,520 I've been told that they're running out 1706 01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:37,900 of books at the warehouse so on the next 1707 01:22:44,250 --> 01:22:39,850 printing they'll they'll print the 1708 01:22:46,380 --> 01:22:44,260 correct websites but so much for editing 1709 01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:46,390 all your copy and then you get there and 1710 01:22:53,570 --> 01:22:50,290 do that well exactly well these are 1711 01:22:55,470 --> 01:22:53,580 typos you can't get rid of typos and 1712 01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:55,480 they're in all the books that I've 1713 01:23:00,450 --> 01:22:57,250 written and and and they just you just 1714 01:23:02,100 --> 01:23:00,460 no matter how many eyes are on it you're 1715 01:23:03,900 --> 01:23:02,110 gonna get tired typos 1716 01:23:07,530 --> 01:23:03,910 I just heard Carrie try to get up in 1717 01:23:10,110 --> 01:23:07,540 your lap again I think now on the 1718 01:23:13,770 --> 01:23:10,120 message board someone wants to know if 1719 01:23:16,590 --> 01:23:13,780 all the abductions are physical or some 1720 01:23:19,050 --> 01:23:16,600 of them just psychological or psychic or 1721 01:23:20,550 --> 01:23:19,060 in other words like mind abductions yeah 1722 01:23:22,590 --> 01:23:20,560 there is no such thing as mind 1723 01:23:25,740 --> 01:23:22,600 abductions these all happen in real time 1724 01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:25,750 in real place they're really physical 1725 01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:28,330 people come back from them with marks 1726 01:23:32,850 --> 01:23:30,850 and uh and and bumps and bruises on 1727 01:23:34,950 --> 01:23:32,860 their body they come back with them 1728 01:23:36,150 --> 01:23:34,960 sometimes with fully formed scars on 1729 01:23:39,660 --> 01:23:36,160 their body that they didn't have before 1730 01:23:43,710 --> 01:23:39,670 which I have seen I just said something 1731 01:23:46,460 --> 01:23:43,720 that is biologically impossible fully 1732 01:23:50,250 --> 01:23:46,470 formed scar tissue a scar an inch long 1733 01:23:52,710 --> 01:23:50,260 that was not on on a person's hands who 1734 01:23:55,620 --> 01:23:52,720 I had seen the day before I looked at 1735 01:23:58,440 --> 01:23:55,630 something and my jaw hit the floor when 1736 01:23:59,820 --> 01:23:58,450 I saw that even I was astounded to be 1737 01:24:01,800 --> 01:23:59,830 huh I was looking at something that was 1738 01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:01,810 impossible that's not impossible if 1739 01:24:07,290 --> 01:24:05,170 you're an abductee and sometimes they 1740 01:24:09,180 --> 01:24:07,300 come back with their clothes on inside 1741 01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:09,190 outs or some clothes on backwards 1742 01:24:14,340 --> 01:24:10,930 sometimes they come back wearing 1743 01:24:15,900 --> 01:24:14,350 somebody else's clothes this is right 1744 01:24:19,170 --> 01:24:15,910 I've never heard that part well yeah 1745 01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:19,180 yeah this this is real time physicality 1746 01:24:24,330 --> 01:24:22,330 this is nothing one time I had a guy say 1747 01:24:26,550 --> 01:24:24,340 that he went to sleep on his couch and 1748 01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:26,560 and he went to Venus or something I 1749 01:24:28,980 --> 01:24:27,970 thought well he was on his couch and 1750 01:24:31,890 --> 01:24:28,990 they came back and everything was 1751 01:24:35,300 --> 01:24:31,900 wonderful and no no no I'd only only 1752 01:24:38,220 --> 01:24:35,310 five minutes had passed and no no no 1753 01:24:39,930 --> 01:24:38,230 okay you're welcome to call in out there 1754 01:24:42,270 --> 01:24:39,940 I'm sorry I have missed a number of 1755 01:24:46,260 --> 01:24:42,280 calls this evening that number is six oh 1756 01:24:47,139 --> 01:24:46,270 three nine six seven four oh three oh so 1757 01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:47,149 David 1758 01:24:54,069 --> 01:24:49,489 in your opinion what the heck is going 1759 01:24:56,020 --> 01:24:54,079 on why is this happening this is your 1760 01:25:00,509 --> 01:24:56,030 opinion but I'd like to hear it okay 1761 01:25:05,139 --> 01:25:00,519 well there's a lead up to this opinion 1762 01:25:09,100 --> 01:25:05,149 first of all in the threat I talked 1763 01:25:12,189 --> 01:25:09,110 about these beings were saying that two 1764 01:25:14,169 --> 01:25:12,199 abductees well they would bring an 1765 01:25:16,540 --> 01:25:14,179 abductee into a room and they show the 1766 01:25:19,689 --> 01:25:16,550 abductee an image on a screen and it 1767 01:25:22,359 --> 01:25:19,699 would be listen here's the two of them 1768 01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:22,369 that I usually talk about one is people 1769 01:25:27,310 --> 01:25:24,530 lined up on steps like our class 1770 01:25:30,219 --> 01:25:27,320 photograph you know looking at the 1771 01:25:33,310 --> 01:25:30,229 camera smiling whatever and the person 1772 01:25:34,869 --> 01:25:33,320 looks at this and and they're they're 1773 01:25:37,209 --> 01:25:34,879 puzzled as to why they're looking at 1774 01:25:39,310 --> 01:25:37,219 these people standing on these steps but 1775 01:25:41,229 --> 01:25:39,320 then they hear telepathically they hear 1776 01:25:45,219 --> 01:25:41,239 can you tell the difference between you 1777 01:25:47,379 --> 01:25:45,229 and us and the person the other key 1778 01:25:49,239 --> 01:25:47,389 looks at it and hardly understands the 1779 01:25:51,009 --> 01:25:49,249 question they say well what do you mean 1780 01:25:52,540 --> 01:25:51,019 difference everybody looks at saying 1781 01:25:54,549 --> 01:25:52,550 there's no difference what are you 1782 01:25:57,429 --> 01:25:54,559 talking about and they say see 1783 01:25:59,319 --> 01:25:57,439 isn't that wonderful soon we will all be 1784 01:26:01,679 --> 01:25:59,329 together soon there's going to be a 1785 01:26:04,629 --> 01:26:01,689 change everybody's going to be happy 1786 01:26:06,549 --> 01:26:04,639 everybody's gonna know his place soon 1787 01:26:09,369 --> 01:26:06,559 this is gonna happen the change is 1788 01:26:11,229 --> 01:26:09,379 coming and then other people would tell 1789 01:26:13,989 --> 01:26:11,239 me the same kind of story about a change 1790 01:26:18,100 --> 01:26:13,999 coming in soon and more people tell me 1791 01:26:20,259 --> 01:26:18,110 that and then III then would ask him Oh 1792 01:26:23,709 --> 01:26:20,269 what do you know what they might mean by 1793 01:26:25,509 --> 01:26:23,719 that change nobody knew I said well do 1794 01:26:28,839 --> 01:26:25,519 you know what they might mean by soon 1795 01:26:30,969 --> 01:26:28,849 because soon is a relative turn term it 1796 01:26:32,830 --> 01:26:30,979 could be a nanosecond now in a billionth 1797 01:26:36,729 --> 01:26:32,840 of a second or a billion years from now 1798 01:26:43,719 --> 01:26:36,739 for all we know and nobody knew that 1799 01:26:48,459 --> 01:26:43,729 either so in 2003 I started to hear 1800 01:26:51,580 --> 01:26:48,469 these stories that indicated that 1801 01:26:54,239 --> 01:26:51,590 something was happening that that people 1802 01:26:57,420 --> 01:26:54,249 who you could not tell the difference 1803 01:27:01,680 --> 01:26:57,430 between human and the hybrid were 1804 01:27:05,070 --> 01:27:01,690 beginning to appear in the society and 1805 01:27:06,570 --> 01:27:05,080 the first time I heard that I just cast 1806 01:27:09,150 --> 01:27:06,580 it aside because when you hear something 1807 01:27:11,010 --> 01:27:09,160 for the first time it's not evidence you 1808 01:27:14,910 --> 01:27:11,020 have to have other people verify that 1809 01:27:16,890 --> 01:27:14,920 and then another person said the same 1810 01:27:18,390 --> 01:27:16,900 thing then another one then another one 1811 01:27:20,220 --> 01:27:18,400 then another one then another one then 1812 01:27:23,190 --> 01:27:20,230 another one and then I felt to myself 1813 01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:23,200 well this might be the change this might 1814 01:27:28,830 --> 01:27:24,570 be the change they were talking about 1815 01:27:32,940 --> 01:27:28,840 but it might not be the change it might 1816 01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:32,950 be a pray a prequel so to speak to the 1817 01:27:38,430 --> 01:27:36,370 change it might be a harbinger of the 1818 01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:38,440 change that is coming later I do not 1819 01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:39,730 know because I don't know what the 1820 01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:43,330 change is however what people began to 1821 01:27:49,860 --> 01:27:46,330 say was that they were not only helping 1822 01:27:52,250 --> 01:27:49,870 hybrids learn about what life is like on 1823 01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:52,260 earth from the time they were children 1824 01:27:59,130 --> 01:27:54,730 until a time that they're teenagers and 1825 01:28:02,070 --> 01:27:59,140 even older on board a UFO but in fact 1826 01:28:05,490 --> 01:28:02,080 they were doing it here in normal 1827 01:28:08,490 --> 01:28:05,500 society and these beings were living in 1828 01:28:11,940 --> 01:28:08,500 normal society also and I had never 1829 01:28:13,890 --> 01:28:11,950 heard that before and then I started to 1830 01:28:16,710 --> 01:28:13,900 hear a lot of it and people were not 1831 01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:16,720 aware of the other ones testimony 1832 01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:21,610 obviously and so so so the question then 1833 01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:25,810 is why well we don't know the answer to 1834 01:28:29,130 --> 01:28:26,410 that either 1835 01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:29,140 and then the good but when you look at 1836 01:28:33,090 --> 01:28:31,330 the big picture and you can't look at 1837 01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:33,100 the small picture here this has to be 1838 01:28:39,030 --> 01:28:36,570 the big picture it's global it's 1839 01:28:42,500 --> 01:28:39,040 intergenerational it's secret 1840 01:28:46,650 --> 01:28:42,510 and they can control us neurologically I 1841 01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:46,660 so my sense of this is is I'm calling 1842 01:28:54,210 --> 01:28:50,290 this global acquisition I think that 1843 01:28:56,730 --> 01:28:54,220 they are that their plan ultimately is 1844 01:29:00,270 --> 01:28:56,740 to take over the earth in some way or at 1845 01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:00,280 least civilization on the earth in other 1846 01:29:03,060 --> 01:29:01,810 words I don't know what's happening in 1847 01:29:05,430 --> 01:29:03,070 every country I don't know what's 1848 01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:05,440 happening at North Korea for example but 1849 01:29:10,180 --> 01:29:08,290 but but we do think I mean it does 1850 01:29:11,590 --> 01:29:10,190 appear to be global and there 1851 01:29:13,810 --> 01:29:11,600 there's really strong evidence for that 1852 01:29:18,820 --> 01:29:13,820 it appears to have been going on for a 1853 01:29:21,610 --> 01:29:18,830 long time as early as the last quarter 1854 01:29:23,350 --> 01:29:21,620 of the 19th century and if you erase 1855 01:29:28,510 --> 01:29:23,360 that and you just go with sort of 1856 01:29:31,420 --> 01:29:28,520 evidence then of the 19-teens and then 1857 01:29:34,330 --> 01:29:31,430 in the 1920s more evidence in 1930s more 1858 01:29:35,500 --> 01:29:34,340 evidence in the 1940s that's that's no 1859 01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:35,510 problem 1860 01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:37,850 lots and lots and lots of cases when 1861 01:29:44,229 --> 01:29:41,810 people were younger in the 1940s but but 1862 01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:44,239 so we know it's been going on for a long 1863 01:29:50,380 --> 01:29:45,890 time which means that there's been a lot 1864 01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:50,390 of time and energy and thought put into 1865 01:30:00,670 --> 01:29:54,650 this program of planetary acquisition 1866 01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:00,680 and I've learned that it's it's it's a 1867 01:30:07,420 --> 01:30:04,130 complicated business but it's it's it's 1868 01:30:10,979 --> 01:30:07,430 simple also it's sort of beautiful in 1869 01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:10,989 its constructor scientists might say 1870 01:30:19,660 --> 01:30:15,530 it's it's as its acquisition through 1871 01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:19,670 hybridization and it's just a slow but 1872 01:30:27,870 --> 01:30:23,810 now constant stream of people who look 1873 01:30:31,180 --> 01:30:27,880 like normal average everyday individuals 1874 01:30:34,930 --> 01:30:31,190 just moving into apartments having 1875 01:30:39,820 --> 01:30:34,940 abductees help them having abductors 1876 01:30:41,830 --> 01:30:39,830 teach them about the ten billion things 1877 01:30:43,390 --> 01:30:41,840 they don't know about on earth even 1878 01:30:46,990 --> 01:30:43,400 though all their lives have been taught 1879 01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:47,000 what it's like to be on earth and but 1880 01:30:51,060 --> 01:30:49,010 once they get here they need somebody to 1881 01:30:54,150 --> 01:30:51,070 hold their hands up for a lot of things 1882 01:30:58,150 --> 01:30:54,160 and that's what I've looked these do and 1883 01:31:00,430 --> 01:30:58,160 and then they learn enough and they go 1884 01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:00,440 on to somewhere else and the epic day 1885 01:31:04,540 --> 01:31:03,050 gets another hybrid who's moving in or 1886 01:31:06,970 --> 01:31:04,550 hubert as i would call them a 1887 01:31:10,450 --> 01:31:06,980 combination of human and hybrid that i 1888 01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:10,460 just put the two words together and to 1889 01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:11,930 differentiate the ones who are actually 1890 01:31:16,270 --> 01:31:14,090 living here as opposed to all the rest 1891 01:31:20,100 --> 01:31:16,280 of the hybrids who are part of the work 1892 01:31:22,890 --> 01:31:20,110 force and on our our on board the UFO so 1893 01:31:25,979 --> 01:31:22,900 but we don't know 1894 01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:25,989 a planetary acquisition seems to be the 1895 01:31:30,300 --> 01:31:28,570 goal now that's interesting that we 1896 01:31:33,450 --> 01:31:30,310 don't know why it's just like in the 1897 01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:33,460 threat nobody knew what soon meant and 1898 01:31:38,669 --> 01:31:36,730 nobody knew what the change meant this 1899 01:31:41,220 --> 01:31:38,679 is this phenomenon as I said before it's 1900 01:31:43,410 --> 01:31:41,230 psychological or it's happening if this 1901 01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:43,420 were psychological people would simply 1902 01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:45,370 tell you why they were doing it because 1903 01:31:50,220 --> 01:31:47,290 they're making everything else up why 1904 01:31:52,050 --> 01:31:50,230 wouldn't they make that up we'd hear it 1905 01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:52,060 from here from there maybe not from 1906 01:31:58,350 --> 01:31:54,850 everybody but from most people I just 1907 01:32:02,220 --> 01:31:58,360 like to change and soon we know but in 1908 01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:02,230 fact it's no the the ones who are doing 1909 01:32:08,070 --> 01:32:05,650 this don't say why they're for the 1910 01:32:09,870 --> 01:32:08,080 abductees don't know why they're for I 1911 01:32:16,430 --> 01:32:09,880 don't know why they're for nobody knows 1912 01:32:19,380 --> 01:32:16,440 why hmm so there's no what do you think 1913 01:32:23,010 --> 01:32:19,390 you said that earlier you just said a 1914 01:32:25,709 --> 01:32:23,020 minute ago that we're going to know at 1915 01:32:30,660 --> 01:32:25,719 some point soon or something but soon 1916 01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:30,670 what is soon right well this is when I 1917 01:32:35,689 --> 01:32:32,770 asked abductees what did the aliens mean 1918 01:32:39,919 --> 01:32:35,699 when they said soon nobody knew but 1919 01:32:42,270 --> 01:32:39,929 though when they said soon in 1997 in 1920 01:32:48,330 --> 01:32:42,280 1996 when I was doing the research for 1921 01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:48,340 the threat everything was the same it 1922 01:32:53,490 --> 01:32:50,170 stayed the same for four years 1923 01:32:56,160 --> 01:32:53,500 afterwards until I began to hear stories 1924 01:32:57,720 --> 01:32:56,170 that I never heard before and then I 1925 01:32:59,399 --> 01:32:57,730 realised that this this might have been 1926 01:33:00,450 --> 01:32:59,409 what they meant by soon and this what 1927 01:33:03,540 --> 01:33:00,460 might have been what they meant by the 1928 01:33:06,870 --> 01:33:03,550 change although I can't be sure of that 1929 01:33:09,419 --> 01:33:06,880 but it was different than anything I'd 1930 01:33:12,630 --> 01:33:09,429 ever heard and you have to understand 1931 01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:12,640 that the abduction phenomenon is when 1932 01:33:16,229 --> 01:33:14,290 you listen to abductors talk about their 1933 01:33:17,729 --> 01:33:16,239 experiences for them it's the most 1934 01:33:21,110 --> 01:33:17,739 astounding thing that has ever happened 1935 01:33:22,890 --> 01:33:21,120 in the history of humankind and it is I 1936 01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:22,900 can understand that 1937 01:33:31,890 --> 01:33:28,090 for me it's it's I'm going to use the 1938 01:33:35,010 --> 01:33:31,900 word soporific it's I've heard these 1939 01:33:35,250 --> 01:33:35,020 stories so many times over and over and 1940 01:33:39,750 --> 01:33:35,260 over 1941 01:33:43,350 --> 01:33:39,760 to keep myself awake during sessions 1942 01:33:46,770 --> 01:33:43,360 that is unfortunately literally true and 1943 01:33:49,980 --> 01:33:46,780 I learned the hard way having fallen 1944 01:33:53,100 --> 01:33:49,990 asleep because I'm just hearing the same 1945 01:33:56,630 --> 01:33:53,110 thing over and over and over and over 1946 01:34:00,600 --> 01:33:56,640 and over and I'm asleep now and 1947 01:34:02,730 --> 01:34:00,610 consequently but that's extremely 1948 01:34:04,440 --> 01:34:02,740 important because it's all verification 1949 01:34:05,670 --> 01:34:04,450 they're all saying the same thing they 1950 01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:05,680 don't know anything about this subject 1951 01:34:10,820 --> 01:34:07,930 that most of what I'm saying and most of 1952 01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:10,830 what's been on television has not been 1953 01:34:16,170 --> 01:34:14,050 fully involved with the I mean you're 1954 01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:16,180 here you're you're only seeing part bits 1955 01:34:20,130 --> 01:34:17,770 and parts of the abduction phenomenon on 1956 01:34:22,140 --> 01:34:20,140 television most of what people are 1957 01:34:24,090 --> 01:34:22,150 saying they have not picked up in 1958 01:34:25,470 --> 01:34:24,100 personal in popular culture 1959 01:34:27,750 --> 01:34:25,480 these are personal experiences that 1960 01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:27,760 happen to them but I know that it 1961 01:34:35,130 --> 01:34:30,250 happens to everybody and makeup can you 1962 01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:35,140 tell us an example well you know taking 1963 01:34:41,070 --> 01:34:39,250 an egg there I used to think and secret 1964 01:34:43,820 --> 01:34:41,080 life I wrote that they were extremely 1965 01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:43,830 interested in human sexual response 1966 01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:46,650 because they would look into the eyes of 1967 01:34:51,660 --> 01:34:48,730 people and they would put these people 1968 01:34:54,930 --> 01:34:51,670 male or female on top of one another and 1969 01:34:57,930 --> 01:34:54,940 have them to go through the business of 1970 01:35:00,380 --> 01:34:57,940 intercourse and then and they would 1971 01:35:02,850 --> 01:35:00,390 stare their eyes on and I thought well 1972 01:35:05,100 --> 01:35:02,860 they must be they keep doing this they 1973 01:35:07,530 --> 01:35:05,110 must be interested in human sexual 1974 01:35:11,970 --> 01:35:07,540 response in some way that's all I could 1975 01:35:13,530 --> 01:35:11,980 think of but it turned out to be was 1976 01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:13,540 that they don't they're not interested 1977 01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:15,370 in human sexual response at all might 1978 01:35:20,910 --> 01:35:18,250 even a little bit they're not interested 1979 01:35:24,660 --> 01:35:20,920 what they're interested in is at the 1980 01:35:26,580 --> 01:35:24,670 peak moment of this event they take the 1981 01:35:29,340 --> 01:35:26,590 man away from the woman who then 1982 01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:29,350 basically ejaculates into a receptacle 1983 01:35:34,410 --> 01:35:32,290 it's a sperm taking technique why they 1984 01:35:38,340 --> 01:35:34,420 use that there's other techniques that 1985 01:35:41,730 --> 01:35:38,350 they have too so well if they can 1986 01:35:45,060 --> 01:35:41,740 control the mind they could obviously do 1987 01:35:47,879 --> 01:35:45,070 that instantly right and when they do do 1988 01:35:52,169 --> 01:35:47,889 that and they do that with the woman 1989 01:35:54,209 --> 01:35:52,179 by controlling the mind and and the 1990 01:35:57,990 --> 01:35:54,219 first time I heard this here's a story 1991 01:35:59,820 --> 01:35:58,000 about the first time I heard III had 1992 01:36:01,500 --> 01:35:59,830 discovered this business about staring 1993 01:36:04,229 --> 01:36:01,510 at people from a distance of touching 1994 01:36:07,919 --> 01:36:04,239 foreheads or maybe an inch or two on 1995 01:36:10,439 --> 01:36:07,929 steering and I would ask them can you 1996 01:36:12,090 --> 01:36:10,449 avert your eyes you know left turn left 1997 01:36:14,010 --> 01:36:12,100 or right they say no I said well can you 1998 01:36:16,140 --> 01:36:14,020 close your eyelids you know no they 1999 01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:16,150 can't do that either and I couldn't 2000 01:36:19,379 --> 01:36:17,530 figure out it was and I finally realized 2001 01:36:22,260 --> 01:36:19,389 they were they were using the optic 2002 01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:22,270 nerve which can be seen from the outside 2003 01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:26,290 at the back of the the eye as a conduit 2004 01:36:32,220 --> 01:36:30,010 to stimulate any any particular nerve 2005 01:36:33,810 --> 01:36:32,230 neurons they wanted to in the brain or 2006 01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:33,820 do different things in the brain and 2007 01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:36,250 they're logically one of the things that 2008 01:36:43,790 --> 01:36:38,650 they can do is they can stimulate sexual 2009 01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:43,800 response and when that comes for a woman 2010 01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:47,050 they they immediately at that point they 2011 01:36:52,109 --> 01:36:48,250 go down they take an egg 2012 01:36:54,629 --> 01:36:52,119 no or to ace or whatever is coming out 2013 01:36:57,060 --> 01:36:54,639 of the ovary how that happens I do not 2014 01:36:59,640 --> 01:36:57,070 know because that does not happen in 2015 01:37:01,350 --> 01:36:59,650 normal human life that's not when when 2016 01:37:05,129 --> 01:37:01,360 women ovulate that's not that's not what 2017 01:37:07,950 --> 01:37:05,139 happens in some way that facilitates 2018 01:37:10,140 --> 01:37:07,960 their taking of the eggs I've had people 2019 01:37:16,140 --> 01:37:10,150 tell me that hundreds of times that is 2020 01:37:18,750 --> 01:37:16,150 not an exaggeration and one time as a 2021 01:37:23,340 --> 01:37:18,760 serves and tell you their before I knew 2022 01:37:25,109 --> 01:37:23,350 this I had this this guy this this tall 2023 01:37:27,990 --> 01:37:25,119 grey alien was staring into the 2024 01:37:29,580 --> 01:37:28,000 sixteen-year-old girls eyes now this she 2025 01:37:30,810 --> 01:37:29,590 was older when I was working with her 2026 01:37:34,020 --> 01:37:30,820 because I don't I don't work with people 2027 01:37:35,879 --> 01:37:34,030 who are I like to work with older people 2028 01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:35,889 I wanted to have a life first before 2029 01:37:39,750 --> 01:37:38,290 they started working with me so I don't 2030 01:37:42,180 --> 01:37:39,760 work with anybody under the age of 21 2031 01:37:43,530 --> 01:37:42,190 and I I'm gonna and I don't even like to 2032 01:37:45,870 --> 01:37:43,540 do that I'd rather work with people who 2033 01:37:47,430 --> 01:37:45,880 are who are 50 or 40 or whatever who 2034 01:37:51,899 --> 01:37:47,440 already have a life of kids and a wife 2035 01:37:53,399 --> 01:37:51,909 and I was running all and so I so she's 2036 01:37:56,760 --> 01:37:53,409 16 she's remembering back to when she 2037 01:37:58,770 --> 01:37:56,770 was 16 years old and I asked her this is 2038 01:38:00,160 --> 01:37:58,780 Brad this is all brand-new stuff I said 2039 01:38:04,300 --> 01:38:00,170 what's going on in your 2040 01:38:07,020 --> 01:38:04,310 mine's while he's staring at you and she 2041 01:38:11,110 --> 01:38:07,030 said to him to me she said you know I 2042 01:38:15,430 --> 01:38:11,120 really like him I really really like him 2043 01:38:19,630 --> 01:38:15,440 nice it's really a good person I hope he 2044 01:38:22,660 --> 01:38:19,640 likes me she says to me the 16 year old 2045 01:38:25,540 --> 01:38:22,670 talking to me you know and I think to 2046 01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:25,550 myself here's a bug-eyed monster who's 2047 01:38:30,760 --> 01:38:28,010 staring at their eyes and she's falling 2048 01:38:32,620 --> 01:38:30,770 in love with him what could that how 2049 01:38:34,090 --> 01:38:32,630 could that be possible and I didn't know 2050 01:38:38,380 --> 01:38:34,100 anything about this sexual response 2051 01:38:41,830 --> 01:38:38,390 thing yet and but that was sort of the 2052 01:38:43,240 --> 01:38:41,840 beginning of it it went back a little 2053 01:38:46,150 --> 01:38:43,250 bit more when I first discovered it with 2054 01:38:49,030 --> 01:38:46,160 another woman but like the Stockholm 2055 01:38:50,979 --> 01:38:49,040 Syndrome no it's not the Stockholm said 2056 01:38:52,510 --> 01:38:50,989 they're just creating sexual response so 2057 01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:52,520 that they can take an egg that's all I 2058 01:38:56,709 --> 01:38:54,610 care about 2059 01:39:00,760 --> 01:38:56,719 Wow 2060 01:39:01,959 --> 01:39:00,770 and so you know there's a bunch of 2061 01:39:04,810 --> 01:39:01,969 comments that came up and let me just 2062 01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:04,820 pull one question for you because I keep 2063 01:39:09,970 --> 01:39:06,650 missing all these questions how many 2064 01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:09,980 commonalities does or do you have on 2065 01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:14,090 abductees that I have to read this 2066 01:39:19,570 --> 01:39:16,010 differently because it's written like 2067 01:39:23,020 --> 01:39:19,580 he's asking me to ask you that you have 2068 01:39:26,290 --> 01:39:23,030 written about that uses that you use as 2069 01:39:32,350 --> 01:39:26,300 you're checking your checking your 2070 01:39:33,820 --> 01:39:32,360 abductee in hand i guess 'sir the person 2071 01:39:40,419 --> 01:39:33,830 is asking how many commonalities are 2072 01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:40,429 there if it didn't have that soporific 2073 01:39:45,729 --> 01:39:42,530 aspect of everybody saying the same 2074 01:39:48,250 --> 01:39:45,739 thing all the time we would be talking 2075 01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:48,260 now because it would be idiosyncratic it 2076 01:39:52,450 --> 01:39:50,690 would be every person would have a story 2077 01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:52,460 based on their own life in some way or 2078 01:39:57,970 --> 01:39:54,530 another especially based on their own 2079 01:39:59,830 --> 01:39:57,980 country and but this is a phenomenon 2080 01:40:04,800 --> 01:39:59,840 that cuts across everything it cuts 2081 01:40:07,240 --> 01:40:04,810 across all religions all racial aspects 2082 01:40:10,890 --> 01:40:07,250 geographic boundaries it cuts across 2083 01:40:12,970 --> 01:40:10,900 educational levels I have people who are 2084 01:40:15,130 --> 01:40:12,980 psychiatrist and psychologist 2085 01:40:17,590 --> 01:40:15,140 Epis who come to me to find out what has 2086 01:40:20,440 --> 01:40:17,600 been happening with them even though 2087 01:40:22,390 --> 01:40:20,450 that they're taking the risk because I'm 2088 01:40:25,810 --> 01:40:22,400 just some amateur guy I'm just a guy off 2089 01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:25,820 the street they're taking a risk to to 2090 01:40:30,460 --> 01:40:28,730 come to me and and and knowing that I 2091 01:40:33,700 --> 01:40:30,470 will not be you know say who their 2092 01:40:35,979 --> 01:40:33,710 actual name is or where they teach or 2093 01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:35,989 anything like that because they are 2094 01:40:39,310 --> 01:40:37,850 driven to wanting to find out what's 2095 01:40:41,110 --> 01:40:39,320 what's going on with them and when they 2096 01:40:43,780 --> 01:40:41,120 tell me what's happening to them it's 2097 01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:43,790 pretty much the same in all the 2098 01:40:47,620 --> 01:40:45,410 different aspects of which there are 2099 01:40:49,300 --> 01:40:47,630 thousands or aspects their Twitter you 2100 01:40:52,360 --> 01:40:49,310 know you can you can dissect it into 2101 01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:52,370 little tiny pieces and so it's all 2102 01:41:00,910 --> 01:40:56,810 pretty much the same now it can be very 2103 01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:00,920 very different extremely different if 2104 01:41:05,380 --> 01:41:02,330 you don't know what you're doing when 2105 01:41:07,330 --> 01:41:05,390 you do hypnosis and you ask the wrong 2106 01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:07,340 questions in the wrong way and you call 2107 01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:10,010 for wrong answers and you understand you 2108 01:41:13,660 --> 01:41:10,970 don't understand the role of 2109 01:41:15,460 --> 01:41:13,670 confabulation people will confabulate 2110 01:41:18,040 --> 01:41:15,470 they'll say things that they will swear 2111 01:41:21,970 --> 01:41:18,050 to as being true and it turns out not to 2112 01:41:24,340 --> 01:41:21,980 be true oh absolutely 2113 01:41:25,750 --> 01:41:24,350 and most conflagration takes place and 2114 01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:25,760 consciously recalled memories 2115 01:41:30,130 --> 01:41:28,850 now obviously if ninety nine to ninety 2116 01:41:31,540 --> 01:41:30,140 five percent of abductees don't remember 2117 01:41:33,460 --> 01:41:31,550 anything it's not those aren't the ones 2118 01:41:35,380 --> 01:41:33,470 we work with we work with the ones who 2119 01:41:37,270 --> 01:41:35,390 do know something is going on who do 2120 01:41:39,190 --> 01:41:37,280 have a memory of something happening or 2121 01:41:40,090 --> 01:41:39,200 a bizarre dream means in their bedroom 2122 01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:40,100 or something like that 2123 01:41:45,790 --> 01:41:42,890 and other things too which then drive 2124 01:41:49,750 --> 01:41:45,800 them to me I take people who basically 2125 01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:49,760 are it's interfering with their life if 2126 01:41:52,660 --> 01:41:51,290 it's not interfering with their life if 2127 01:41:53,770 --> 01:41:52,670 everything is okay they're married 2128 01:41:57,070 --> 01:41:53,780 they're happier they're everything is 2129 01:42:00,070 --> 01:41:57,080 fine I'm not about to to to open this up 2130 01:42:01,479 --> 01:42:00,080 for them and and destroy their lives in 2131 01:42:03,700 --> 01:42:01,489 some way or another I don't want to do 2132 01:42:05,860 --> 01:42:03,710 that I want to work with people where 2133 01:42:07,570 --> 01:42:05,870 this is getting in the way of their 2134 01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:07,580 normal life they deserve to have a 2135 01:42:17,290 --> 01:42:09,890 normal life and that's what I'm looking 2136 01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:17,300 for so so basically the commonalities 2137 01:42:22,280 --> 01:42:19,770 are critical and 2138 01:42:24,650 --> 01:42:22,290 and and and it's extremely important 2139 01:42:30,830 --> 01:42:24,660 that that they say the same things if 2140 01:42:34,070 --> 01:42:30,840 however I take for for truth what they 2141 01:42:37,300 --> 01:42:34,080 first tell me for example I will tell 2142 01:42:40,060 --> 01:42:37,310 you a risque story 2143 01:42:43,490 --> 01:42:40,070 this one was twelve years old 2144 01:42:46,010 --> 01:42:43,500 this is conscious memory she's out the 2145 01:42:49,240 --> 01:42:46,020 backyard playing she got the urge to go 2146 01:42:51,860 --> 01:42:49,250 to the bathroom and but it was too far 2147 01:42:55,100 --> 01:42:51,870 it was urgent heard she was too far to 2148 01:42:58,370 --> 01:42:55,110 go back to her house she was in a wooded 2149 01:43:01,820 --> 01:42:58,380 area nobody was around so she as we like 2150 01:43:08,540 --> 01:43:01,830 to say in the halls of academia dumped 2151 01:43:14,530 --> 01:43:08,550 near a tree so when she looked at it she 2152 01:43:21,710 --> 01:43:17,090 that was that really was sort of amazing 2153 01:43:24,680 --> 01:43:21,720 and but that does happen and so I think 2154 01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:24,690 so we did a session on that because it 2155 01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:26,730 was sort of fascinating so he's out 2156 01:43:31,610 --> 01:43:28,530 playing in the back there was and it was 2157 01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:31,620 and there's a CFO there and then she 2158 01:43:35,390 --> 01:43:33,930 goes into the audience of the UFO these 2159 01:43:36,860 --> 01:43:35,400 aliens and this happens in that happens 2160 01:43:39,230 --> 01:43:36,870 and this happens of atoms in this heaven 2161 01:43:42,530 --> 01:43:39,240 that have this and then she comes out 2162 01:43:45,470 --> 01:43:42,540 and then she runs home I saw a wait a 2163 01:43:47,530 --> 01:43:45,480 second what about how you have to go to 2164 01:43:51,350 --> 01:43:47,540 the bathroom by the tree and all that 2165 01:43:53,180 --> 01:43:51,360 she said no no I don't think that 2166 01:43:54,830 --> 01:43:53,190 happened I said what about that tapeworm 2167 01:43:58,100 --> 01:43:54,840 you know that's stuck in your mind for 2168 01:44:01,640 --> 01:43:58,110 all these years so no I don't think that 2169 01:44:03,290 --> 01:44:01,650 happen either she had that in her mind 2170 01:44:04,850 --> 01:44:03,300 for years and years and years and when 2171 01:44:07,130 --> 01:44:04,860 it became time for her to just describe 2172 01:44:09,850 --> 01:44:07,140 it to me I was I was ready to listen to 2173 01:44:12,860 --> 01:44:09,860 it it wasn't there 2174 01:44:14,930 --> 01:44:12,870 that's confabulation I can tell you 2175 01:44:17,690 --> 01:44:14,940 story after story after story after 2176 01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:17,700 story but this is how you can try you 2177 01:44:22,280 --> 01:44:19,290 handle it here's another story this is 2178 01:44:23,720 --> 01:44:22,290 how you handle it woman wakes up in the 2179 01:44:25,580 --> 01:44:23,730 middle of night there's Abraham Lincoln 2180 01:44:27,440 --> 01:44:25,590 standing at the foot of her bed he's 2181 01:44:29,570 --> 01:44:27,450 tall he's got a stovepipe hat on as his 2182 01:44:31,149 --> 01:44:29,580 beard he's standing there with somebody 2183 01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:31,159 else or something like that 2184 01:44:37,429 --> 01:44:34,050 they take her out of the bed they take 2185 01:44:40,330 --> 01:44:37,439 her out into this UFO etc I know I'm not 2186 01:44:44,629 --> 01:44:40,340 saying a word about Abraham Lincoln and 2187 01:44:45,949 --> 01:44:44,639 finally I say well now you know she they 2188 01:44:47,270 --> 01:44:45,959 their clothes off she's in a room they 2189 01:44:50,330 --> 01:44:47,280 pick her up day she's walking down a 2190 01:44:53,109 --> 01:44:50,340 hallway I say well where is Abraham 2191 01:44:55,879 --> 01:44:53,119 Lincoln oh he's he's in front of me 2192 01:44:58,399 --> 01:44:55,889 walking down this hallway I said okay 2193 01:45:06,350 --> 01:44:58,409 well I said can you see his stovepipe 2194 01:45:09,049 --> 01:45:06,360 hat she said no no no I said well Kenya 2195 01:45:10,279 --> 01:45:09,059 can you see his hair again if he's not 2196 01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:10,289 wearing his hat can you see it there in 2197 01:45:16,159 --> 01:45:11,610 the back of his head he's in front of 2198 01:45:17,750 --> 01:45:16,169 you no I can't see that I said well when 2199 01:45:19,969 --> 01:45:17,760 you're looking at him ie looking up at 2200 01:45:22,509 --> 01:45:19,979 him like he's [\h__\h] across it I'm looking 2201 01:45:24,919 --> 01:45:22,519 down at him so well I'm sort of looking 2202 01:45:28,209 --> 01:45:24,929 straight across at him and then she said 2203 01:45:29,899 --> 01:45:28,219 you know I don't think this is Lincoln 2204 01:45:31,939 --> 01:45:29,909 that's how you do it 2205 01:45:35,419 --> 01:45:31,949 it's just simple chronological and 2206 01:45:37,399 --> 01:45:35,429 logical questioning at all and after and 2207 01:45:40,100 --> 01:45:37,409 the first session has most confabulation 2208 01:45:45,919 --> 01:45:40,110 and it comes the first than the two 2209 01:45:48,350 --> 01:45:45,929 major areas of confabulation are what I 2210 01:45:52,159 --> 01:45:48,360 just described which is describing 2211 01:45:53,449 --> 01:45:52,169 aliens and believe me you get people to 2212 01:45:55,159 --> 01:45:53,459 tell me that there's two hundred and 2213 01:45:57,049 --> 01:45:55,169 forty eight different kinds of aliens 2214 01:45:59,270 --> 01:45:57,059 who are visiting here you know and 2215 01:46:01,310 --> 01:45:59,280 adducting people and people tell me 2216 01:46:03,770 --> 01:46:01,320 there are 27 different kinds of it and 2217 01:46:09,699 --> 01:46:03,780 this is all confabulation from what I 2218 01:46:12,620 --> 01:46:09,709 can tell and so if you work with them 2219 01:46:15,159 --> 01:46:12,630 doing chronological and logical 2220 01:46:18,020 --> 01:46:15,169 questioning based on what they're saying 2221 01:46:20,989 --> 01:46:18,030 then not on based on what I think they 2222 01:46:23,689 --> 01:46:20,999 should be saying they learn very quickly 2223 01:46:25,279 --> 01:46:23,699 that memory is slippery and they're 2224 01:46:28,069 --> 01:46:25,289 really they had remembered things that 2225 01:46:29,719 --> 01:46:28,079 didn't happen or weren't true and what 2226 01:46:30,620 --> 01:46:29,729 they're remembering is actually stranger 2227 01:46:32,899 --> 01:46:30,630 than what they felt they were 2228 01:46:36,139 --> 01:46:32,909 remembering you know sometimes and and 2229 01:46:39,439 --> 01:46:36,149 then they become sort of scientist 2230 01:46:43,910 --> 01:46:39,449 observers they understand the enormity 2231 01:46:46,730 --> 01:46:43,920 of this they understand the incredible 2232 01:46:51,440 --> 01:46:46,740 aspect of this phenomenon for everybody 2233 01:46:54,530 --> 01:46:51,450 and they want to be accurate then they 2234 01:46:57,500 --> 01:46:54,540 don't want confabulation then they want 2235 01:46:59,330 --> 01:46:57,510 to be accurate about about what's 2236 01:47:02,420 --> 01:46:59,340 happening to them and I have a style of 2237 01:47:05,120 --> 01:47:02,430 questioning which causes that accuracy 2238 01:47:06,740 --> 01:47:05,130 which allows for it well I had a 2239 01:47:11,900 --> 01:47:06,750 question along those lines if that's all 2240 01:47:15,860 --> 01:47:11,910 right is have you seen as time has gone 2241 01:47:17,750 --> 01:47:15,870 by like a an overall change you say that 2242 01:47:19,940 --> 01:47:17,760 there's you know the story sounds the 2243 01:47:22,640 --> 01:47:19,950 same sounds the same but is that your 2244 01:47:25,670 --> 01:47:22,650 questions also the same or do you change 2245 01:47:28,910 --> 01:47:25,680 your questions no my questions are 2246 01:47:31,280 --> 01:47:28,920 pretty much the same I only ask what 2247 01:47:34,250 --> 01:47:31,290 they see what they talk about no 2248 01:47:36,620 --> 01:47:34,260 sometimes there's there's it depends 2249 01:47:38,630 --> 01:47:36,630 depends I will ask them sometimes if 2250 01:47:40,430 --> 01:47:38,640 they're gone for four hours and they 2251 01:47:42,110 --> 01:47:40,440 tell me about 15 minutes worth of 2252 01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:42,120 material I know they skipped a lot of 2253 01:47:47,810 --> 01:47:45,290 stuff so I'll tell them well you know 2254 01:47:49,100 --> 01:47:47,820 let's just see if anything else happens 2255 01:47:50,690 --> 01:47:49,110 and I'll count from three to one or 2256 01:47:52,090 --> 01:47:50,700 something like that and tell them you 2257 01:47:54,530 --> 01:47:52,100 know when I get there one you'll 2258 01:47:56,810 --> 01:47:54,540 remember something else happening if it 2259 01:48:00,050 --> 01:47:56,820 did if nothing else happened that's fine 2260 01:48:01,460 --> 01:48:00,060 too and then they remember oh they took 2261 01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:01,470 me into a different room they did this 2262 01:48:04,430 --> 01:48:02,850 they did that and they took me into 2263 01:48:07,010 --> 01:48:04,440 another room and they Disney then you 2264 01:48:10,490 --> 01:48:07,020 know and but they will that's only in 2265 01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:10,500 the first several sessions usually after 2266 01:48:14,660 --> 01:48:12,810 after a while they get used to it and 2267 01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:14,670 they understand that when they go out of 2268 01:48:18,950 --> 01:48:16,530 the room they know that I'm gonna ask 2269 01:48:20,480 --> 01:48:18,960 them well if you're going out of the 2270 01:48:22,040 --> 01:48:20,490 room they've already described the room 2271 01:48:23,300 --> 01:48:22,050 to me because I because they said they 2272 01:48:25,370 --> 01:48:23,310 were going into the room so I get to 2273 01:48:28,580 --> 01:48:25,380 talk about the room then then when they 2274 01:48:30,860 --> 01:48:28,590 go out of the room I I ask them do they 2275 01:48:33,470 --> 01:48:30,870 go straight to the straight out of the 2276 01:48:36,290 --> 01:48:33,480 room do they go left or they turn or 2277 01:48:39,440 --> 01:48:36,300 right or something like that now there's 2278 01:48:41,180 --> 01:48:39,450 only so many ways you can go you know so 2279 01:48:42,650 --> 01:48:41,190 they say well so they know right away 2280 01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:42,660 they say well I'm turning right into a 2281 01:48:48,440 --> 01:48:45,330 hallway now and they've learned to be 2282 01:48:51,710 --> 01:48:48,450 accurate because I'm sort of asking for 2283 01:48:53,050 --> 01:48:51,720 it I'm asking for accuracy and when that 2284 01:48:56,490 --> 01:48:53,060 happens 2285 01:48:58,170 --> 01:48:56,500 nothing bubbles up that is bizarre there 2286 01:48:59,810 --> 01:48:58,180 nothing to do with religion in there 2287 01:49:03,540 --> 01:48:59,820 there's nothing to do with being 2288 01:49:08,550 --> 01:49:03,550 transcendent beings helping to heal the 2289 01:49:11,970 --> 01:49:08,560 world or heal us or whatever people say 2290 01:49:14,310 --> 01:49:11,980 I just don't ever hear that as long as 2291 01:49:16,590 --> 01:49:14,320 I'm asking questions the correct way and 2292 01:49:19,890 --> 01:49:16,600 and they're leading me on what questions 2293 01:49:22,140 --> 01:49:19,900 I can ask I can't just tell them ask him 2294 01:49:24,870 --> 01:49:22,150 Sir question out of the blue 2295 01:49:26,700 --> 01:49:24,880 then I'm going on this journey 2296 01:49:28,110 --> 01:49:26,710 physically with them and they're doing 2297 01:49:30,570 --> 01:49:28,120 things I can ask him questions about 2298 01:49:33,450 --> 01:49:30,580 what's what's going on you know have you 2299 01:49:35,670 --> 01:49:33,460 ever heard like I know you said what was 2300 01:49:38,640 --> 01:49:35,680 its puffer Rick of whatever that word is 2301 01:49:39,810 --> 01:49:38,650 they don't have to look up they put you 2302 01:49:45,770 --> 01:49:39,820 to sleep 2303 01:49:54,450 --> 01:49:51,380 have you had say spoken to someone and 2304 01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:54,460 multiple times your story is similar 2305 01:49:57,750 --> 01:49:55,930 you're falling asleep and all of a 2306 01:50:01,290 --> 01:49:57,760 sudden there's something new or 2307 01:50:04,350 --> 01:50:01,300 something bizarre that that you actually 2308 01:50:07,110 --> 01:50:04,360 believe as part of the story yeah that 2309 01:50:10,410 --> 01:50:07,120 does happen and and it may not be 2310 01:50:12,990 --> 01:50:10,420 necessarily validated by others it only 2311 01:50:15,300 --> 01:50:13,000 happens when I've worked with the person 2312 01:50:17,070 --> 01:50:15,310 for a number of years and I know and I 2313 01:50:18,630 --> 01:50:17,080 trust that person and usually the person 2314 01:50:20,460 --> 01:50:18,640 will say to me no I don't know whether 2315 01:50:22,470 --> 01:50:20,470 this is true whether this is happening 2316 01:50:24,600 --> 01:50:22,480 or not but I'll tell you that way and 2317 01:50:28,860 --> 01:50:24,610 then they'll say something that makes 2318 01:50:31,260 --> 01:50:28,870 perfect logical sense in some way and I 2319 01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:31,270 and I'll latch on tha's I know this 2320 01:50:35,430 --> 01:50:33,130 person I've known this person well and 2321 01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:35,440 I've had you know 10 15 20 or 30 2322 01:50:42,150 --> 01:50:39,010 sessions with him or her and and I know 2323 01:50:44,310 --> 01:50:42,160 that they are extremely careful in how 2324 01:50:45,930 --> 01:50:44,320 they're describing things and they've 2325 01:50:47,460 --> 01:50:45,940 learned how to do it and they've learned 2326 01:50:49,910 --> 01:50:47,470 how to warn me and all the rest that 2327 01:50:52,470 --> 01:50:49,920 stuff even then 2328 01:50:54,870 --> 01:50:52,480 and it's usually a minor thing but even 2329 01:50:56,730 --> 01:50:54,880 then I I prefer to wait for somebody 2330 01:50:58,320 --> 01:50:56,740 else to say the same thing and the 2331 01:51:00,650 --> 01:50:58,330 phenomenon is so routinized that 2332 01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:00,660 invariably somebody else will you know 2333 01:51:06,480 --> 01:51:03,970 it's but it it's all a matter of 2334 01:51:10,120 --> 01:51:06,490 questioning and it's a matter of trust 2335 01:51:13,980 --> 01:51:10,130 and it's a yeah there are some people 2336 01:51:16,090 --> 01:51:13,990 who asked a and a person or questions 2337 01:51:19,180 --> 01:51:16,100 they're remembering something it 2338 01:51:21,910 --> 01:51:19,190 happened 10 years ago and in the middle 2339 01:51:24,160 --> 01:51:21,920 of this discussion the hypnotist will 2340 01:51:27,130 --> 01:51:24,170 say I want you to ask the alien a 2341 01:51:29,260 --> 01:51:27,140 question I want you to ask them what 2342 01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:29,270 planet do they come from or something 2343 01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:31,010 like that you know hang on a second here 2344 01:51:34,750 --> 01:51:32,570 we have a caller can you say your first 2345 01:51:38,350 --> 01:51:34,760 name in question please Bobby 2346 01:51:40,030 --> 01:51:38,360 hey Bobby how are you good man the 2347 01:51:44,220 --> 01:51:40,040 question is actually you kind of got it 2348 01:51:47,830 --> 01:51:44,230 wrong is what checks does he still have 2349 01:51:50,770 --> 01:51:47,840 were duck T's that he believes her real 2350 01:51:52,810 --> 01:51:50,780 have told him that he keeps himself and 2351 01:51:55,450 --> 01:51:52,820 doesn't share in his books how many of 2352 01:51:59,140 --> 01:51:55,460 those does he have that he still uses to 2353 01:52:00,970 --> 01:51:59,150 see that are commonalities okay just to 2354 01:52:01,660 --> 01:52:00,980 let you know we only have a couple two 2355 01:52:07,090 --> 01:52:01,670 minutes left 2356 01:52:07,810 --> 01:52:07,100 Thank You Bobby in the first couple of 2357 01:52:09,640 --> 01:52:07,820 sessions 2358 01:52:12,430 --> 01:52:09,650 I asked deliberately misleading 2359 01:52:15,010 --> 01:52:12,440 questions I'm not going to say what they 2360 01:52:18,640 --> 01:52:15,020 are but they asked I and I know them bud 2361 01:52:22,150 --> 01:52:18,650 used to ask people you know that most 2362 01:52:26,320 --> 01:52:22,160 abductees is there's a yellow colored a 2363 01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:26,330 yellow sort of bright yellow a alien who 2364 01:52:29,710 --> 01:52:28,250 stands off to the side and watches 2365 01:52:34,090 --> 01:52:29,720 things as they go on and doesn't do 2366 01:52:35,800 --> 01:52:34,100 anything you can see him can't you of 2367 01:52:40,870 --> 01:52:35,810 course that's never been said by anybody 2368 01:52:42,970 --> 01:52:40,880 ever at any time and so and there's 2369 01:52:44,770 --> 01:52:42,980 another researcher John Carpenter had a 2370 01:52:47,290 --> 01:52:44,780 whole list of these types of questions 2371 01:52:50,440 --> 01:52:47,300 to ask and I'll ask those questions 2372 01:52:53,070 --> 01:52:50,450 I can tell fairly quickly how responsive 2373 01:52:56,020 --> 01:52:53,080 a person is and they're usually wary of 2374 01:52:58,900 --> 01:52:56,030 asking questions that aren't going to 2375 01:53:02,170 --> 01:52:58,910 apply to them in some way but but I do 2376 01:53:05,710 --> 01:53:02,180 do that absolutely and I try to do that 2377 01:53:07,300 --> 01:53:05,720 with everybody and for the first several 2378 01:53:08,980 --> 01:53:07,310 sessions until I'm pretty much satisfied 2379 01:53:11,110 --> 01:53:08,990 that they're going to be there trying to 2380 01:53:13,240 --> 01:53:11,120 be as accurate as possible nobody wants 2381 01:53:15,340 --> 01:53:13,250 to say anything that's wrong or false 2382 01:53:18,160 --> 01:53:15,350 they don't know nobody wants at least of 2383 01:53:20,950 --> 01:53:18,170 all me right so David what's your 2384 01:53:23,950 --> 01:53:20,960 website and one more time the name your 2385 01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:23,960 book then it's on your website 2386 01:53:34,479 --> 01:53:28,570 right the website is a UFO abduction no 2387 01:53:38,410 --> 01:53:34,489 s.com just singular abduction calm the 2388 01:53:40,690 --> 01:53:38,420 book is called walking among us how the 2389 01:53:42,610 --> 01:53:40,700 aliens plan to control humanity the 2390 01:53:45,340 --> 01:53:42,620 walking among us was something I came up 2391 01:53:47,500 --> 01:53:45,350 with on the spur of the moment the other 2392 01:53:49,360 --> 01:53:47,510 part was their subtitle they had a 2393 01:53:52,479 --> 01:53:49,370 different title which I will not tell 2394 01:53:54,280 --> 01:53:52,489 you okay cuz it was straight out of the 2395 01:53:56,500 --> 01:53:54,290 pages of the National Enquirer so I 2396 01:53:58,180 --> 01:53:56,510 figured no no no no no that's not gonna 2397 01:54:00,459 --> 01:53:58,190 work well thanks so much it's been a 2398 01:54:03,400 --> 01:54:00,469 real pleasure thank you for having me I 2399 01:54:06,070 --> 01:54:03,410 appreciate it yeah alright so that's it 2400 01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:06,080 for the show tonight and I want to thank 2401 01:54:11,550 --> 01:54:08,570 everyone for helping out starting out 2402 01:54:14,790 --> 01:54:11,560 with Keith Roland for helping out with a 2403 01:54:17,050 --> 01:54:14,800 with the live show and we have Peggy 2404 01:54:18,970 --> 01:54:17,060 shunning who helps us out with the 2405 01:54:21,310 --> 01:54:18,980 Facebook page remember to like us on 2406 01:54:24,670 --> 01:54:21,320 Facebook for all the latest UFO news 2407 01:54:26,430 --> 01:54:24,680 next week we have Mark Dantonio coming 2408 01:54:31,330 --> 01:54:26,440 up and we're going to talk about 2409 01:54:35,229 --> 01:54:31,340 astronomy and UFO research UFO talk as 2410 01:54:36,820 --> 01:54:35,239 he calls it and a lot more and so I want 2411 01:54:38,950 --> 01:54:36,830 to thank everyone for supporting the 2412 01:54:41,200 --> 01:54:38,960 show if you're listening this long you 2413 01:54:43,780 --> 01:54:41,210 are a supporter or you're listening live 2414 01:54:46,030 --> 01:54:43,790 and I greatly appreciate it and so 2415 01:54:47,590 --> 01:54:46,040 thanks a lot everyone we'll be back next 2416 01:54:50,110 --> 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